AMD為何8核閹割4核賣?Ryzen良率高達80% - 3C

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AMD為何8核閹割4核賣?Ryzen良率高達80%、成本更低 [複製鏈接]| 回復
2017/5/20 11:51
AMD的Ryzen處理器已經發佈了Ryzen 7和Ryzen 5系列,已經有8核、6核及4核型號,不過
我們之前已經從AMD官方那邊確認了目前的Ryzen處理器都是原生8核的,其他核心都是遮
罩部分核心、緩存閹割而來的,未來的Ryzen 3也不例外。
原生8核閹割到4核未免有些浪費,AMD難道不心疼嗎?但是AMD這麼做也是有好處的,更關
鍵的是Ryzen 8核的良率非常高,達到80%以上。
我們之前提過AMD要是出個原生4核8執行緒的處理器就更好了,這樣在中低端市場很有意
義,省得用原生8核閹割到4核這麼浪費,不過Zen架構的處理器對AMD來說不止是桌面處理
器,他們更看重的是高性能伺服器市場,AMD推出了32核64執行緒、128個PCI-E通道、8通
道DDR4記憶體的Naples跟Intel競爭,Zen架構必須要考慮到這一點 。從前幾天AMD展示的
資料中心品牌EPYC來看,每個32核Naples處理器內部是有4個Ryzen處理器組成,正好是8
核16執行緒,當時我們也分析了AMD為何做8核16執行緒的Ryzen了——4x8核的組合做32核
處理器要比8x4核更簡單。
AMD做原生8核可能還有更深的問題,那就是良率,在同樣的300mm晶圓下,晶片成本不僅
跟晶片面積有關,良率也非常重要。義大利bitchips網站爆料稱Ryzen 8核的良率達到80%
以上,而良率越高,成本就越低,所以AMD能以非常低的價格製造出32核處理器。
原文還提到了AMD Naples處理器已經吸引到了廠商注意,Dropbox就對Naples和
ThreadRipper很感興趣,表示內部評估對EPYC處理器印象深刻,核心性能、記憶體頻寬及
I/O的組合使它獨一無二,Dropbox將持續評估EPYC作為他們基礎設施的可能性。
他們還提到有家大公司將購買數量龐大的Naples處理器,很快就會公佈名字了。良率確實
是影響處理器成本的一個重要問題,越複雜的晶片良率會越低,成本也會更高,具體到每
家公司的產品來說,良率都是不同的,也是各家的機密,所以我們無法從公開資料去對比
Ryzen 8核的80%良率到底是什麼水準,Bitchips這裡認為80%的良率是很高了,有助於降
低32核Naples的成本,所以AMD可以只搞已成原生8核的Ryzen,通過它來實現高中低端桌
面及伺服器處理器產品線劃分。
不過原生4核Ryzen對消費者來說依然很有意義,可惜這一代的Ryzen上是見不到了,不過
Ryzen APU中有4核8執行緒的,還有Vega架構顯卡,預計在今年下半年發佈。
http://www.xfastest.com/thread-186644-1-1.html
講的好像AMD第一天這樣玩一樣
10年前肥龍就開始玩開核開L3了
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時間 Sat May 28 08:23:13 2016
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2017/5/20 11:51
AMD的Ryzen處理器已經發佈了Ryzen 7和Ryzen 5系列,已經有8核、6核及4核型號,不過
我們之前已經從AMD官方那邊確認了目前的Ryzen處理器都是原生8核的,其他核心都是遮
罩部分核心、緩存閹割而來的,未來的Ryzen 3也不例外。
原生8核閹割到4核未免有些浪費,AMD難道不心疼嗎?但是AMD這麼做也是有好處的,更關
鍵的是Ryzen 8核的良率非常高,達到80%以上。
我們之前提過AMD要是出個原生4核8執行緒的處理器就更好了,這樣在中低端市場很有意
義,省得用原生8核閹割到4核這麼浪費,不過Zen架構的處理器對AMD來說不止是桌面處理
器,他們更看重的是高性能伺服器市場,AMD推出了32核64執行緒、128個PCI-E通道、8通
道DDR4記憶體的Naples跟Intel競爭,Zen架構必須要考慮到這一點 。從前幾天AMD展示的
資料中心品牌EPYC來看,每個32核Naples處理器內部是有4個Ryzen處理器組成,正好是8
核16執行緒,當時我們也分析了AMD為何做8核16執行緒的Ryzen了——4x8核的組合做32核
處理器要比8x4核更簡單。
AMD做原生8核可能還有更深的問題,那就是良率,在同樣的300mm晶圓下,晶片成本不僅
跟晶片面積有關,良率也非常重要。義大利bitchips網站爆料稱Ryzen 8核的良率達到80%
以上,而良率越高,成本就越低,所以AMD能以非常低的價格製造出32核處理器。
原文還提到了AMD Naples處理器已經吸引到了廠商注意,Dropbox就對Naples和
ThreadRipper很感興趣,表示內部評估對EPYC處理器印象深刻,核心性能、記憶體頻寬及
I/O的組合使它獨一無二,Dropbox將持續評估EPYC作為他們基礎設施的可能性。
他們還提到有家大公司將購買數量龐大的Naples處理器,很快就會公佈名字了。良率確實
是影響處理器成本的一個重要問題,越複雜的晶片良率會越低,成本也會更高,具體到每
家公司的產品來說,良率都是不同的,也是各家的機密,所以我們無法從公開資料去對比
Ryzen 8核的80%良率到底是什麼水準,Bitchips這裡認為80%的良率是很高了,有助於降
低32核Naples的成本,所以AMD可以只搞已成原生8核的Ryzen,通過它來實現高中低端桌
面及伺服器處理器產品線劃分。
不過原生4核Ryzen對消費者來說依然很有意義,可惜這一代的Ryzen上是見不到了,不過
Ryzen APU中有4核8執行緒的,還有Vega架構顯卡,預計在今年下半年發佈。
http://www.xfastest.com/thread-186644-1-1.html
講的好像AMD第一天這樣玩一樣
10年前肥龍就開始玩開核開L3了
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作者 goipait (GoGo) 看板 Gossiping
標題 [問卦] 有沒有彥州懶人包?
時間 Sat May 28 08:23:13 2016
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