Apple發表新款SoC - 3C

Tom avatar
By Tom
at 2021-10-19T01:26

Table of Contents

https://i.imgur.com/d2PFudo.png
新的SoC名稱為M1 Pro和M1 Max,看起來是以現有的M1強化

裸晶概念圖
https://i.imgur.com/tV7h7CX.png
https://i.imgur.com/xLUzUTC.png

記憶體頻寬為200GB/s
https://i.imgur.com/LN5EYef.png

電晶體為337億
https://i.imgur.com/kFuxL9G.png

CPU為8+2核心,GPU為16核心
https://i.imgur.com/M8uHU5F.png
https://i.imgur.com/IBRwy3E.png

最高支援32GB RAM,採用5nm製程
https://i.imgur.com/ZeYTJrO.png

另一個是M1 MAX

記憶體頻寬上升到400GB/s
https://i.imgur.com/2PgpRyW.png

GPU提升至32核心
https://i.imgur.com/zB2SYo7.png

CPU為維持8+2核心,電晶體來到570億,最高支援64GB RAM。同樣為5nm製程
https://i.imgur.com/EPbUxQz.png

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作者 mindstack31 (mindmind) 看板 PC_Shopping
標題 Re: [情報] AMD Threadripper NDA解禁
時間 Thu Aug 10 21:33:16 2017
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Tags: 3C

All Comments

Cara avatar
By Cara
at 2021-10-18T17:22
今天是電蝦黑暗的一天
Wallis avatar
By Wallis
at 2021-10-21T17:06
這個GPU夠用嗎
Callum avatar
By Callum
at 2021-10-18T17:22
30瓦欸,直接吊打
Zanna avatar
By Zanna
at 2021-10-21T17:06
所以可以打lol了嗎高通:不要 嗚嗚
Adele avatar
By Adele
at 2021-10-18T17:22
強到無感 但pro max之間cpu沒有差距也有點無感
Ivy avatar
By Ivy
at 2021-10-21T17:06
30w,你還是下去吧
Daph Bay avatar
By Daph Bay
at 2021-10-18T17:22
這對高階工作筆電而言,Intel的市佔會大失血吧
Todd Johnson avatar
By Todd Johnson
at 2021-10-21T17:06
PCI-E 4.0有辦法到7.4GB/s ?https://i.imgur.com/9sZavdQ.png
Hedy avatar
By Hedy
at 2021-10-18T17:22
可以啊 不是一堆7.4GB/s的ssd
Jacky avatar
By Jacky
at 2021-10-21T17:06
那應該就是SSD改用PCI-E 4.0版本吧
Joseph avatar
By Joseph
at 2021-10-18T17:22
E18 r/w 7.4G/7G是蠻意外m1 max/pro都上4.0
Hazel avatar
By Hazel
at 2021-10-21T17:06
所以對比m1性能提升多少 = =
Elvira avatar
By Elvira
at 2021-10-18T17:22
比到這種程度應該要開始比功耗了
Zenobia avatar
By Zenobia
at 2021-10-21T17:06
沒有比不知名對手強50%喔
Erin avatar
By Erin
at 2021-10-18T17:22
遊戲桌機AMD YES/工作筆電M1蘋果書~我以為這已經是常態了不是嗎?XD
Zora avatar
By Zora
at 2021-10-21T17:06
Apple有說CPU效能比M1多了70%https://i.imgur.com/ywHvxMr.png
Ursula avatar
By Ursula
at 2021-10-18T17:22
Pro的GPU效能是M1的兩倍https://i.imgur.com/QGo43VY.png然後Max是四倍
Lily avatar
By Lily
at 2021-10-21T17:06
工作用的不能省,直接買最好用的
Dora avatar
By Dora
at 2021-10-18T17:22
那個能耗比感覺很猛
Megan avatar
By Megan
at 2021-10-21T17:06
14"MacBook Pro那個價格...
Daniel avatar
By Daniel
at 2021-10-18T17:22
進步幅度蠻屌的 看來很有企圖心
Daniel avatar
By Daniel
at 2021-10-21T17:06
反觀桌上型的2家一直擠牙膏...
Christine avatar
By Christine
at 2021-10-18T17:22
文書機的霸主
Joe avatar
By Joe
at 2021-10-21T17:06
兩家mobile cpu直接被打趴
Bethany avatar
By Bethany
at 2021-10-18T17:22
看售價 價格夠低就能戰市場
Mason avatar
By Mason
at 2021-10-21T17:06
售價官網有阿,14吋60k
Kumar avatar
By Kumar
at 2021-10-18T17:22
WTF.. https://imgur.com/7ZZht38
Ethan avatar
By Ethan
at 2021-10-21T17:06
16吋的75k,要買直接上16吋惹
Wallis avatar
By Wallis
at 2021-10-18T17:22
M1Pro CPU2倍, GPU2倍M1Max CPU2倍, GPU4倍45w打150w, 應該接近2080Ti
Audriana avatar
By Audriana
at 2021-10-21T17:06
ram跟內顯共用 等於可用到60G顯存... 螢幕支援120hz滿不錯的
Aaliyah avatar
By Aaliyah
at 2021-10-18T17:22
M1 MAX那台16吋要10萬 好猛
Charlie avatar
By Charlie
at 2021-10-21T17:06
恐怖.....垂直整合的成本控制才能有
Franklin avatar
By Franklin
at 2021-10-18T17:22
這麼怪物的SOC....
Valerie avatar
By Valerie
at 2021-10-21T17:06
M1 Max規模570億電晶體
Hardy avatar
By Hardy
at 2021-10-18T17:22
看哪張來對比拉,老黃的移動版都閹
Caroline avatar
By Caroline
at 2021-10-21T17:06
將近2倍 RTX3080Ti
Vanessa avatar
By Vanessa
at 2021-10-18T17:22
apple只差遊戲相容性就能一統天下了 不講武德
Xanthe avatar
By Xanthe
at 2021-10-21T17:06
過,跟滿血桌機板還是有差
Isla avatar
By Isla
at 2021-10-18T17:22
未來說不定mac跑windows arm模擬x86都比原生x86強= =
Charlie avatar
By Charlie
at 2021-10-21T17:06
等測試就知道了,但拿這個打遊戲還可能性還是不高
Damian avatar
By Damian
at 2021-10-18T17:22
「macbook是最好的windows筆電」
Susan avatar
By Susan
at 2021-10-21T17:06
有點猛
Puput avatar
By Puput
at 2021-10-18T17:22
但感覺新的只對影音編輯用戶比較香
Brianna avatar
By Brianna
at 2021-10-21T17:06
貴了點然後又變重了
Xanthe avatar
By Xanthe
at 2021-10-18T17:22
i和a也不是故意擠牙膏,只是能提升
Jacky avatar
By Jacky
at 2021-10-21T17:06
max大概要出在mac book pro上了
Susan avatar
By Susan
at 2021-10-18T17:22
i a 現在製程還都不是5nm我是有聽朋友說5nm的話AMD就有機會搶到比較多的產能
Rachel avatar
By Rachel
at 2021-10-21T17:06
IPC的方法在20年前就都玩完了,現在
Faithe avatar
By Faithe
at 2021-10-18T17:22
欸 我不太確定是5nm 還是更前面
Sierra Rose avatar
By Sierra Rose
at 2021-10-21T17:06
不過想搶遊戲市場筆電還是有難度直接出pc還比較實在
Emma avatar
By Emma
at 2021-10-18T17:22
只能不斷最佳化,或是乾脆直接堆核
Emma avatar
By Emma
at 2021-10-21T17:06
心 可是多核心軟體又很難寫.....apple是垂直整合,SOC只是產品的一部分
Faithe avatar
By Faithe
at 2021-10-18T17:22
記憶體頻寬也提升太多了...
Linda avatar
By Linda
at 2021-10-21T17:06
電競筆電感覺I還是蠻穩的但生產力應該又要掉不少
John avatar
By John
at 2021-10-18T17:22
接下來等明天Google發表會惹
Una avatar
By Una
at 2021-10-21T17:06
就算SOC價格高到嚇人,也可以從其他零件摳出來,如果放在x86就是一顆入
Skylar Davis avatar
By Skylar Davis
at 2021-10-18T17:22
M1 玩遊戲是死穴,D2R 沒支援
Annie avatar
By Annie
at 2021-10-21T17:06
https://i.imgur.com/giuIVe3.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/8fMXE7X.png
Suhail Hany avatar
By Suhail Hany
at 2021-10-18T17:22
門CPU就上萬 我想沒幾個人能承受
Quanna avatar
By Quanna
at 2021-10-21T17:06
兩個配到M1 Max都先加個21K然後16"是直接給140W的充電器
Elizabeth avatar
By Elizabeth
at 2021-10-18T17:22
Mac的全TB真的比較方便 比起一堆莫名奇妙的接口 統一TB4簡單多了
Franklin avatar
By Franklin
at 2021-10-21T17:06
是挺好奇明後天網站們發布的測試
Erin avatar
By Erin
at 2021-10-18T17:22
Intel: ……
Puput avatar
By Puput
at 2021-10-21T17:06
太無情了
Kristin avatar
By Kristin
at 2021-10-18T17:22
然後Magsafe磁吸式接口又回歸了
Puput avatar
By Puput
at 2021-10-21T17:06
滿想知道現在他們能跑些啥測試了XD
Iris avatar
By Iris
at 2021-10-18T17:22
筆電x86不就是已經i5就快上萬,加上RAM也差不多
Hedy avatar
By Hedy
at 2021-10-21T17:06
尤其是吃重運算的應用遊戲可能2~3年內都還沒機會
Yuri avatar
By Yuri
at 2021-10-18T17:22
我猜不想沒事接一堆轉接頭= =才*
Eden avatar
By Eden
at 2021-10-21T17:06
不過Apple有說也能用Type-C充電Magsafe應該是選配吧
Dora avatar
By Dora
at 2021-10-18T17:22
Amd 直接放棄文書是對的
Tristan Cohan avatar
By Tristan Cohan
at 2021-10-21T17:06
TB4牙膏廠也能分錢有差逆
Michael avatar
By Michael
at 2021-10-18T17:22
還是有差,intel 之前可是佔了一顆cpu,這幾天不是還要apple回頭?難道真的只剩下代工
Oliver avatar
By Oliver
at 2021-10-21T17:06
看到這個效能 明天睡飽買台積電
Faithe avatar
By Faithe
at 2021-10-18T17:22
parrallels或成最大贏家(X
Quintina avatar
By Quintina
at 2021-10-21T17:06
MACBOOK跟一般筆電客群還是有差吧
Selena avatar
By Selena
at 2021-10-18T17:22
這個會影響台gg股價很多!?
Donna avatar
By Donna
at 2021-10-21T17:06
Apple直接擠爆牙膏....
Una avatar
By Una
at 2021-10-18T17:22
對GG股價影響不大,因為都是滿的
Hedy avatar
By Hedy
at 2021-10-21T17:06
Frederic avatar
By Frederic
at 2021-10-18T17:22
i皇大概要14代才有些機會,看蘋果在遊戲支援性上有沒有進步
Oscar avatar
By Oscar
at 2021-10-21T17:06
比較好奇 蘋果這樣玩 會不會以後都搞CPU VGA共用RAM 好像不錯耶拜託Wintel也學一下吧
Ina avatar
By Ina
at 2021-10-18T17:22
她現在有比NV/AMD的GPU快了嗎?
Audriana avatar
By Audriana
at 2021-10-21T17:06
APU不就是這樣了嗎?
Rebecca avatar
By Rebecca
at 2021-10-18T17:22
統一定址這個倒不是啥新玩意
Candice avatar
By Candice
at 2021-10-21T17:06
AMD的HAS就是基於統一定址所研發的吧?*HSA
Kelly avatar
By Kelly
at 2021-10-18T17:22
APU沒辦法像蘋果這樣客製一大塊晶片
Isla avatar
By Isla
at 2021-10-21T17:06
這GPGPU主要拿來通用加速,遊戲倒是次要
Mary avatar
By Mary
at 2021-10-18T17:22
我覺得AMD的問題是她沒辦法讓大家為了一個新的架構去用新的系統
Sandy avatar
By Sandy
at 2021-10-21T17:06
真的太強,我已經看好16inch 32g 512g M1 Maxㄌ,壓在10萬內的頂規Max
Charlie avatar
By Charlie
at 2021-10-18T17:22
x86的CPU跟VGA吃電那麼重,放太近就是變成熱能怪獸,要學什麼
Mia avatar
By Mia
at 2021-10-21T17:06
看那個裸晶概念圖好療癒
Candice avatar
By Candice
at 2021-10-18T17:22
ps4不就是共用8g gddr5
Vanessa avatar
By Vanessa
at 2021-10-21T17:06
GPU 跟 x86 沒啥關係吧GPGPU 加速這件事情,從2011年開始
Oliver avatar
By Oliver
at 2021-10-18T17:22
AMD就吹得天花亂墜
Lily avatar
By Lily
at 2021-10-21T17:06
這樣比下來 PC/NB看來被板卡廠制約
Christine avatar
By Christine
at 2021-10-18T17:22
i皇在之前的架構日已經說要跳進來玩HSA了,看來算是科技廠共識了
Cara avatar
By Cara
at 2021-10-21T17:06
但GPGPU加速的運用看起來相當難作
Doris avatar
By Doris
at 2021-10-18T17:22
看Intel換個供電線就要天下大亂了
Ethan avatar
By Ethan
at 2021-10-21T17:06
gg 5nm 就是猛
Margaret avatar
By Margaret
at 2021-10-18T17:22
只要x86還是這樣軟硬分開那就打不贏
Sandy avatar
By Sandy
at 2021-10-21T17:06
這種架構目前只有水果推得動....其他家硬體架構吵完還要看微軟...
Mary avatar
By Mary
at 2021-10-18T17:22
uma記憶體帶寬做超大
Hedwig avatar
By Hedwig
at 2021-10-21T17:06
看官網規格猜單顆記憶體的頻寬100GB
Daph Bay avatar
By Daph Bay
at 2021-10-18T17:22
OpenCL/CUDA 推了相當久,現在仍然
Faithe avatar
By Faithe
at 2021-10-21T17:06
等微軟還要全民封測至少半年...
Dinah avatar
By Dinah
at 2021-10-18T17:22
還是只有相當專門的應用是比較成熟一般使用上很吃重平行運算的還是用ASIC所以我一直覺得GPGPU好像不是那麼前途量眼XDD
Jack avatar
By Jack
at 2021-10-21T17:06
/s 容量16GB Pro上限2顆 Max上限4顆
Zora avatar
By Zora
at 2021-10-18T17:22
撇開無視成本的堆料,水果現在最強的就是軟硬體整合的優勢
Lily avatar
By Lily
at 2021-10-21T17:06
簡單來說蘋果丟下intel就沒包袱阿
Sierra Rose avatar
By Sierra Rose
at 2021-10-18T17:22
嗯,MCM裡面加入ASIC更有彈性
Annie avatar
By Annie
at 2021-10-21T17:06
x86的包袱也還好,ARM以後快取也是要愈加愈大的
Doris avatar
By Doris
at 2021-10-18T17:22
蒜粒多少?
Frederic avatar
By Frederic
at 2021-10-21T17:06
那個瀏海我先噓 沒有face id還要瀏海然後6萬起跳的結果我覺得還算可以啦
Skylar Davis avatar
By Skylar Davis
at 2021-10-18T17:22
不知蒜粒
Quanna avatar
By Quanna
at 2021-10-21T17:06
蘋果很愛擠牙膏,如果這還只是擠牙膏下的成長曲線….
Kumar avatar
By Kumar
at 2021-10-18T17:22
可以編輯8K好猛
Mary avatar
By Mary
at 2021-10-21T17:06
Pc界黑暗的一天
Ina avatar
By Ina
at 2021-10-18T17:22
下次iMac大概也要換瀏海了還好我只買mac mini
Dorothy avatar
By Dorothy
at 2021-10-21T17:06
硬體再強 軟體不支援還是無法
Necoo avatar
By Necoo
at 2021-10-18T17:22
mac也可以外接多個螢幕 亦有攜帶性
Yuri avatar
By Yuri
at 2021-10-21T17:06
雖然M1x是來真的但是SP四倍效能四倍這種蠢話不會有人信吧 XD
Gilbert avatar
By Gilbert
at 2021-10-18T17:22
ARM架構共用RAM不奇怪啊 而且這重點
Oliver avatar
By Oliver
at 2021-10-21T17:06
不是GG產能滿不滿 是INTEL越差越遠
Lydia avatar
By Lydia
at 2021-10-18T17:22
體積什麼的直接放飛的意思嗎
Rebecca avatar
By Rebecca
at 2021-10-21T17:06
所以終於可以在MBPR上多開iOS手遊掛機惹嗎?
Erin avatar
By Erin
at 2021-10-18T17:22
同上,所以我等了兩年的iOS app遊戲什麼的可以用了嗎
Tracy avatar
By Tracy
at 2021-10-21T17:06
....iOS app已經能跑了吧....M1開始就能跑了...
Olivia avatar
By Olivia
at 2021-10-18T17:22
蘋果手機會擠牙膏是因為市場根本沒對手 其他牌請爭氣點
Madame avatar
By Madame
at 2021-10-21T17:06
PD17到時如果有支援 考慮借一台來玩玩看Win11的使用情況 可以順利支援
Leila avatar
By Leila
at 2021-10-18T17:22
的話 筆電市場就有趣了
Edwina avatar
By Edwina
at 2021-10-21T17:06
不過intel真的要加油囉 自研客製化
Oliver avatar
By Oliver
at 2021-10-18T17:22
有本錢的都開始再搞了 再沒競爭力真的就不好混了
Agnes avatar
By Agnes
at 2021-10-21T17:06
這麼大一片要不碾壓紅藍陣營也很難XD
Barb Cronin avatar
By Barb Cronin
at 2021-10-18T17:22
裝置有多大 晶片就塞多大整片上蓋都是我的散熱版 爽
Rosalind avatar
By Rosalind
at 2021-10-21T17:06
你想想看iMac還有多大空間能塞XD桌機版本的出來應該會嚇死人
Agatha avatar
By Agatha
at 2021-10-18T17:22
桌機就算了 M1真上桌機 競爭優勢就
Mason avatar
By Mason
at 2021-10-21T17:06
沒這麼大了
John avatar
By John
at 2021-10-18T17:22
Gpu效能是M1的4倍,那M1 Max應該快追上桌面版的2080ti了
Sandy avatar
By Sandy
at 2021-10-21T17:06
下一款:X pro Max
Lucy avatar
By Lucy
at 2021-10-18T17:22
算力多少???
Barb Cronin avatar
By Barb Cronin
at 2021-10-21T17:06
每次都一堆人說要幹爆win laptop...商用根本打不進去好嗎
Skylar DavisLinda avatar
By Skylar DavisLinda
at 2021-10-18T17:22
如果真的這麼強那很期待蘋果能兼容更多遊戲
Thomas avatar
By Thomas
at 2021-10-21T17:06
理論值比較強...實際跑差距蠻大的
Connor avatar
By Connor
at 2021-10-18T17:22
挖礦效能測試?
Enid avatar
By Enid
at 2021-10-21T17:06
有道理 這東西挖礦挺好
Hazel avatar
By Hazel
at 2021-10-18T17:22
M1實際跑15分的4k影片轉檔要一小時15分,3070 pc只要15分笑死
Jake avatar
By Jake
at 2021-10-21T17:06
M1=1050Ti / 560 那M1改應該可以對上1060 / 570。
Joe avatar
By Joe
at 2021-10-18T17:22
M1極限=1080 / VEGA
Ida avatar
By Ida
at 2021-10-21T17:06
反正會買蘋果的人本來就沒期待他的效能
Jacky avatar
By Jacky
at 2021-10-18T17:22
文書機的霸主 還是文書機
Skylar DavisLinda avatar
By Skylar DavisLinda
at 2021-10-21T17:06
不會吧 M1這個系列主打的就是效能呀只是不知道現在跑過些什麼東西了
Valerie avatar
By Valerie
at 2021-10-18T17:22
跑遊戲你還要考慮Metal的效能不好
Lydia avatar
By Lydia
at 2021-10-21T17:06
短時間還是只能看渲染...不過這次轉檔部分看起來加了很多
Agnes avatar
By Agnes
at 2021-10-18T17:22
電路有機會在特定格式殺爆四方
Hazel avatar
By Hazel
at 2021-10-21T17:06
轉檔殺爆四方.....
Caitlin avatar
By Caitlin
at 2021-10-18T17:22
蘋果電供不行,這麼大顆的GPU沒有百
Zenobia avatar
By Zenobia
at 2021-10-21T17:06
w效能發揮不出來。蘋果每次都死在電不夠,散熱不夠。
Ida avatar
By Ida
at 2021-10-18T17:22
蘋果在發表會上面有乘現什麼吃運算效能的測試結果嗎?
Ethan avatar
By Ethan
at 2021-10-21T17:06
買蘋果電腦不就是為了軟體介面跟潮度嗎
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By Tristan Cohan
at 2021-10-18T17:22
之後會不會出M1 Max Pro
Ingrid avatar
By Ingrid
at 2021-10-21T17:06
看來看去 好像沒看到什麼測試結果
Caroline avatar
By Caroline
at 2021-10-18T17:22
果粉才沒在管實際效能,1的兩倍也是兩被,100的兩倍也是兩倍
Delia avatar
By Delia
at 2021-10-21T17:06
蘋果自身發表的從來都是數據沒實際跑過什麼給大家看
Hedwig avatar
By Hedwig
at 2021-10-18T17:22
......那是在嗨什麼XDDDDDDDDD
Carolina Franco avatar
By Carolina Franco
at 2021-10-21T17:06
去跑跑分軟體大概會差不多啦
Elizabeth avatar
By Elizabeth
at 2021-10-18T17:22
實際上要看應用場合。
Ingrid avatar
By Ingrid
at 2021-10-21T17:06
因為會用蘋果電腦的人大多對硬體不熟,你講跑分他們也聽不懂
Isabella avatar
By Isabella
at 2021-10-18T17:22
有垃圾geekbench,單核沒變,多核多
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By Hamiltion
at 2021-10-21T17:06
一倍。
Emily avatar
By Emily
at 2021-10-18T17:22
不用跑分啊 就跑應用嘛分數是個加權結果 意義不大像上面講的 轉檔啊 影音編輯啊等等甚至是類神經網絡相關應用
Audriana avatar
By Audriana
at 2021-10-21T17:06
intel 12代 PL1 電到241w 又要吃土了
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By Rosalind
at 2021-10-18T17:22
遊戲...也是可以跑啦
Lydia avatar
By Lydia
at 2021-10-21T17:06
會講那些數據就不是蘋果了
Charlie avatar
By Charlie
at 2021-10-18T17:22
沒有實測結果的話 這些硬體數據都是
Hedwig avatar
By Hedwig
at 2021-10-21T17:06
虛的。就像以前AMD的顯卡TFLOPs看起來好像很屌 遊戲實測就輸上一截
Ursula avatar
By Ursula
at 2021-10-18T17:22
應該不用擔心,這次看起來還蠻穩...
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By Dinah
at 2021-10-21T17:06
除了前面有人說的散熱以外...其他硬體指標我認為測出來會很好看至於你說Mac沒遊戲沒特定軟體那就..
Oliver avatar
By Oliver
at 2021-10-18T17:22
信心來自A系列蘋果自己宣稱的性能提升,算有一定準確度
Mia avatar
By Mia
at 2021-10-21T17:06
實際跑起來就是文書筆電
Kyle avatar
By Kyle
at 2021-10-18T17:22
我是覺得沒有實測嗨成這樣挺怪的
Oliver avatar
By Oliver
at 2021-10-21T17:06
因為M1演過一次,之前大家也是不信現在比較多質疑的還是在GPU的部分
Joe avatar
By Joe
at 2021-10-18T17:22
M1那時候演啥我也不太記得了因為當下也沒什麼東西好測的我甚至不太記得大家在炒啥
Yuri avatar
By Yuri
at 2021-10-21T17:06
影音編輯沒對手了吧
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By Belly
at 2021-10-18T17:22
等實機出來有人測過再看就好...
Doris avatar
By Doris
at 2021-10-21T17:06
m1當初就剪片和鬼神續航
Jacob avatar
By Jacob
at 2021-10-18T17:22
https://upload.cc/i1/2021/10/19/GIS0bo.jpg
Megan avatar
By Megan
at 2021-10-21T17:06
當初 m1出來大家吵的是,為什麼這麼強的soc才配8g ram而已
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By Kama
at 2021-10-18T17:22
M1你要看H.265...T
Daniel avatar
By Daniel
at 2021-10-21T17:06
macOS M1 可以灌 Parallels Desktop
Victoria avatar
By Victoria
at 2021-10-18T17:22
再灌 Win on ARM 就可以裝 Stream
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By Tristan Cohan
at 2021-10-21T17:06
等實測會更嗨
Elvira avatar
By Elvira
at 2021-10-18T17:22
玩遊戲。打錯,是 Steam。
Victoria avatar
By Victoria
at 2021-10-21T17:06
不要想在PD上模擬x86遊戲, 沒啥用
Dorothy avatar
By Dorothy
at 2021-10-18T17:22
遊戲不是Mac原生當沒有比較好
Annie avatar
By Annie
at 2021-10-21T17:06
我用 M1 玩過一款像糖豆人的遊戲,但只能開到 800x600。
Victoria avatar
By Victoria
at 2021-10-18T17:22
那款叫 Bro Falls。
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By Kumar
at 2021-10-21T17:06
https://i.snipboard.io/I2bQyF.jpg
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By Kumar
at 2021-10-18T17:22
https://bit.ly/2YZxZRW
Annie avatar
By Annie
at 2021-10-21T17:06
軟體硬體都自己的當然能這樣搞桌機光相容性就弄到效能快不起來
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By Michael
at 2021-10-18T17:22
目前還只是發表,Apple要看效能真的要看應用方面,等到正式發售時再看相關評測
Andy avatar
By Andy
at 2021-10-21T17:06
等實測 當初M1發表也是狂吹...
Andy avatar
By Andy
at 2021-10-18T17:22
M1為什麼配8GB,因為要出M1 Pro
Elma avatar
By Elma
at 2021-10-21T17:06
M1 Pro MAX就拉到64GB了 開心嗎
Rebecca avatar
By Rebecca
at 2021-10-18T17:22
如果電給他吃上去還不嚇死人…
Vanessa avatar
By Vanessa
at 2021-10-21T17:06
沒有face id那瀏海是幹嘛用的 ==
Noah avatar
By Noah
at 2021-10-18T17:22
一桶漿糊
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By Skylar DavisLinda
at 2021-10-21T17:06
明明只有M1 Max可以做16x4,M1 Pro只有16xw啦16x2
Michael avatar
By Michael
at 2021-10-18T17:22
Intel再擠啊 呵 牙膏沒料就下去
Iris avatar
By Iris
at 2021-10-21T17:06
希望別間廠商別去學那個瀏海==
Tracy avatar
By Tracy
at 2021-10-18T17:22
現在M1-native的軟體變多了,希望這幾天就有些比較共通的測試可以看
Annie avatar
By Annie
at 2021-10-21T17:06
看M1跟x86機器現在到底情況怎樣
Joseph avatar
By Joseph
at 2021-10-18T17:22
epyc 8通道也才204.8G/s 400怎玩
Carol avatar
By Carol
at 2021-10-21T17:06
Intel:
Tracy avatar
By Tracy
at 2021-10-18T17:22
當apple不在被intel拖後腿後 可怕
Yuri avatar
By Yuri
at 2021-10-21T17:06
算力多少?
Anonymous avatar
By Anonymous
at 2021-10-18T17:22
GG 5nm真的強
Joe avatar
By Joe
at 2021-10-21T17:06
ERP沒下去玩之前MAC天花板就是在那邊啦
Una avatar
By Una
at 2021-10-18T17:22
至於ERP會不會花大把資源去建立?我覺得不會 Apple也轉賺賺特定客群就夠啦
Hardy avatar
By Hardy
at 2021-10-21T17:06
i皇轉檔也不弱呀,ADL-p會更強,大小核在筆電上能體現優勢
Olivia avatar
By Olivia
at 2021-10-18T17:22
反正果粉要的效能只要夠發ig就好了剩下都是拿來吹的
Hedy avatar
By Hedy
at 2021-10-21T17:06
https://apple.co/3mZuOkQ 左下角
Agatha avatar
By Agatha
at 2021-10-18T17:22
i皇的外星人是不是跑去蘋果那了
Hazel avatar
By Hazel
at 2021-10-21T17:06
啊不 是右下角 那台是 RTX3080耶
Eden avatar
By Eden
at 2021-10-18T17:22
這張才對 https://bit.ly/3DUrui0
Jack avatar
By Jack
at 2021-10-21T17:06
所以果果説比移動版3080還強 !?
Catherine avatar
By Catherine
at 2021-10-18T17:22
移動版跟桌機版3080不是差個15%而已
Rachel avatar
By Rachel
at 2021-10-21T17:06
很多人的重點都只放在intel 這樣看起來NV是不是也快被碾壓了
Megan avatar
By Megan
at 2021-10-18T17:22
瀏海短時間別間也學不了啦 肯定要win幫忙適配
Regina avatar
By Regina
at 2021-10-21T17:06
等MAC能玩3A再叫我zzz
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By Barb Cronin
at 2021-10-18T17:22
intel沒有prores
Frederic avatar
By Frederic
at 2021-10-21T17:06
可以剪輯你在PC上玩3A的影片阿
Hedwig avatar
By Hedwig
at 2021-10-18T17:22
舉intel當例子就算了 擔心nv的就別多心了 老黃可沒這麼好對付
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By Skylar Davis
at 2021-10-21T17:06
優化的能效曲線不同
Tom avatar
By Tom
at 2021-10-18T17:22
如果NV自己刻一顆純低壓的應該不會輸給蘋果
Caitlin avatar
By Caitlin
at 2021-10-21T17:06
或者是拿M1超到200W跟NV比比看
Barb Cronin avatar
By Barb Cronin
at 2021-10-18T17:22
她電到200W可能就不能這樣設計了
Eartha avatar
By Eartha
at 2021-10-21T17:06
m1那個時候果粉在吹8G=windows32G
Steve avatar
By Steve
at 2021-10-18T17:22
畫一堆圖表 所以能玩3A了嗎
Hedy avatar
By Hedy
at 2021-10-21T17:06
但這次可以跑Tensorflow/PyTorch吧
Tracy avatar
By Tracy
at 2021-10-18T17:22
那誰會需要M1 MAX的64G RAM? XD
Jessica avatar
By Jessica
at 2021-10-21T17:06
M1在剪輯上強在real time吧 8k不渲染還可以順跑有夠扯但是輸出就真的差一大截
Regina avatar
By Regina
at 2021-10-18T17:22
讓我們跟intel說一聲 再會
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By Aaliyah
at 2021-10-21T17:06
別鬧了 效能再好都只是一台MAC電腦
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By Puput
at 2021-10-18T17:22
能灌windows再來說別人會抖
Harry avatar
By Harry
at 2021-10-21T17:06
這次在比較圖有把比較的筆電寫出來了一台是Razer Blade 15 一台是msige76 raider
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By Kristin
at 2021-10-18T17:22
https://bit.ly/3BUS36b 神優化的fcpx i皇跑8k unrendered會卡 m1直接順跑 超扯
Vanessa avatar
By Vanessa
at 2021-10-21T17:06
其實不是n5強,是台積封裝太變態了
Jessica avatar
By Jessica
at 2021-10-18T17:22
軟體生態正在改變,很多app運行方式跟以往不太一樣了,只要iPhone真的賣得好,可能筆電apple也要吃下一大片了
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By Aaliyah
at 2021-10-21T17:06
各位觀眾那些喊m2的又又又被打臉啦
Victoria avatar
By Victoria
at 2021-10-18T17:22
所以能拿來挖礦嗎
Lucy avatar
By Lucy
at 2021-10-21T17:06
軟體生態跟台積電封裝有什麼關聯?
Andrew avatar
By Andrew
at 2021-10-18T17:22
老黃或蘇媽再幫蘋果做個圖形晶片因特爾就烙賽了
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By Skylar Davis
at 2021-10-21T17:06
都soc了,不會和蘇媽再要ip授權
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By Quanna
at 2021-10-18T17:22
之前aapl和Imagination分手改自己做GPU時,還被說GPU專利難繞過,只能
Noah avatar
By Noah
at 2021-10-21T17:06
做出爛東西等著被告,現在看來難度並沒有那麼高
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By Skylar Davis
at 2021-10-18T17:22
真香
Victoria avatar
By Victoria
at 2021-10-21T17:06
當年apple棄imagination齁他們公司股價一日蒸發70% 有夠慘
Jacob avatar
By Jacob
at 2021-10-18T17:22
文書神降臨
Faithe avatar
By Faithe
at 2021-10-21T17:06
看起來超強
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By Regina
at 2021-10-18T17:22
台積電 先進封裝技術 !!!
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By Daph Bay
at 2021-10-21T17:06
牙膏!?
Andy avatar
By Andy
at 2021-10-18T17:22
幫GG星人QQ,又要輪班輪到無窮無盡
Elma avatar
By Elma
at 2021-10-21T17:06
輪到無窮盡,然後把全台的房子都買光
Elvira avatar
By Elvira
at 2021-10-18T17:22
但終究還是跑Mac OS,這個無解(?
Sandy avatar
By Sandy
at 2021-10-21T17:06
乾瞪眼 窮人買不起=.=
Faithe avatar
By Faithe
at 2021-10-18T17:22
有人覺得64G ram太多?想想64G vram的顯卡要賣多少吧,呵呵
Jake avatar
By Jake
at 2021-10-21T17:06
vmware、virtual box 哪時可以出m1版啊= =
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By Franklin
at 2021-10-18T17:22
Windows不是只剩下打電動功能嗎
Emma avatar
By Emma
at 2021-10-21T17:06
vmware有m1試用了
Frederica avatar
By Frederica
at 2021-10-18T17:22
蠻猛的
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By Regina
at 2021-10-21T17:06
跑3D建模渲染還是要PC啦
Caitlin avatar
By Caitlin
at 2021-10-18T17:22
架構真的暴力跟這功耗~遊戲兼容搞定的話 一堆x86都要吃土了
Elma avatar
By Elma
at 2021-10-21T17:06
arm生態系早就非吳下阿蒙了
Noah avatar
By Noah
at 2021-10-18T17:22
windows還可以用來上ptt啊 XD
Anthony avatar
By Anthony
at 2021-10-21T17:06
用上M1才是真正的MAC,前面幾代都是在賣信仰,用來儲值M1的
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By Zenobia
at 2021-10-18T17:22
還是文書機
Joe avatar
By Joe
at 2021-10-21T17:06
windows可以用來下載ubuntu 安裝檔
Megan avatar
By Megan
at 2021-10-18T17:22
遊戲市場這麼大 妳說apple會沒動作嗎XD 還沒端出來而已 哀黃的靈壓…
Zenobia avatar
By Zenobia
at 2021-10-21T17:06
MAC真那麼強 那何必花大錢組工作站之類的
Jessica avatar
By Jessica
at 2021-10-18T17:22
手頭上有一台MBP M1,從一開始能裝iOS App,到後來鎖安裝(要開發者同意才能裝),許多程式因為歷史共業改成native還要好長一段時間,蘋果至少也要再撐五年
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By Gilbert
at 2021-10-21T17:06
M1可是連官方發佈的Minecraft在物件多一點的情況下都會lag,除非自己每個版本都抓下來自己從jdk重新編譯才會順
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By Adele
at 2021-10-18T17:22
Discord也是改了好久還在用Intel轉譯版。遊戲市場就別想了,頻果自己想搞還不如像Steam一樣搞個像Proton的東西
Elizabeth avatar
By Elizabeth
at 2021-10-21T17:06
怎麼把i皇講的要倒了一樣==
Gilbert avatar
By Gilbert
at 2021-10-18T17:22
有光追嗎? 可以玩2077嗎
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By Puput
at 2021-10-21T17:06
一大堆專業軟體只在Windows 上有,Mac還有很長的一段路要走
Eden avatar
By Eden
at 2021-10-18T17:22
另外ASIC本身的優勢也是最大的劣勢,只要遇到支援的指令組合不出來的功能或是完全不支援的功能效能直接死去,不是在最後一步或第一步還要送到其他硬體再送回來,稍微同步一下就等超久
Jake avatar
By Jake
at 2021-10-21T17:06
目前看起來蘋果加入的都是以剪輯影片為主,遊戲效能應該還是有限,不知道M1 Max官方之前宣傳的古墓能不能1080p全開了
Olive avatar
By Olive
at 2021-10-18T17:22
讓他們幻想intel倒閉一下
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By Rae
at 2021-10-21T17:06
人家x86是全功能通包欸
Freda avatar
By Freda
at 2021-10-18T17:22
貴死了,沒幾個會買
Carol avatar
By Carol
at 2021-10-21T17:06
買了也是放著少用
Una avatar
By Una
at 2021-10-18T17:22
apple逐步擴展且擴大優勢吃的是intel市場沒疑問
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By Christine
at 2021-10-21T17:06
英特爾失去訂單又失去市佔 只會更慘
Eartha avatar
By Eartha
at 2021-10-18T17:22
intel失的也是amd補 當你走arm那瞬間 你走三維科學圖像計算工作的路就斷了
Audriana avatar
By Audriana
at 2021-10-21T17:06
這樣gpu 是不是輸採用gddr6的速度啊
Oliver avatar
By Oliver
at 2021-10-18T17:22
arm不是吳下阿蒙 但工作科學等等計算上 還是差太多了
Elma avatar
By Elma
at 2021-10-21T17:06
繼IBM 微軟 任天堂後 Intel要成為第四間要在台灣網路上倒掉的公司了嗎
Joseph avatar
By Joseph
at 2021-10-18T17:22
ibm後來的確混得沒那麼好了 但微軟己經變成超怪物
Mason avatar
By Mason
at 2021-10-21T17:06
任天堂現況是屌 但還沒到神
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By Michael
at 2021-10-18T17:22
https://i.imgur.com/vFCZE37.jpg
Yuri avatar
By Yuri
at 2021-10-21T17:06
難怪google也要自己做soc出來
Joe avatar
By Joe
at 2021-10-18T17:22
SoC做成這樣...這根本海放其他人...
Valerie avatar
By Valerie
at 2021-10-21T17:06
ps5 448Gb/s xbox x 560/336Gb/s
Frederica avatar
By Frederica
at 2021-10-18T17:22
哀黃server端被a吃 個人端還是被a吃QQ
Carol avatar
By Carol
at 2021-10-21T17:06
反正我不會買
Callum avatar
By Callum
at 2021-10-18T17:22
壽命呢?硬碟壞就要整台換根本垃圾
Hardy avatar
By Hardy
at 2021-10-21T17:06
能挖礦玩遊戲嗎 不能的話老黃哪有差
Ida avatar
By Ida
at 2021-10-18T17:22
我笑了 這裡真的一堆人還活在上個世紀 如果你要的是遊戲機 當然還是windows 不過現在多少人還在玩重度電腦遊戲?
Margaret avatar
By Margaret
at 2021-10-21T17:06
對老黃有沒有差 目前當然沒差啊,老黃主力又不是移動端,桌機打筆電?
Valerie avatar
By Valerie
at 2021-10-18T17:22
400GB/s=蒜粒50顆,礦工衝啊
Caroline avatar
By Caroline
at 2021-10-21T17:06
未來有沒有差?當然是差多了,目前老黃桌面端建立的工作軟體cuda壁壘 很快就要掰了
Doris avatar
By Doris
at 2021-10-18T17:22
想打老黃?幗粉還沒睡醒啊?
Valerie avatar
By Valerie
at 2021-10-21T17:06
cuda的軟體生態mac是能吃喔
Hazel avatar
By Hazel
at 2021-10-18T17:22
痾.上面那位是要表達自己是未來人嗎
Yedda avatar
By Yedda
at 2021-10-21T17:06
Mac哪有在管你cuda 早就不支援多久了蘋果用metal都幾百年了
Olive avatar
By Olive
at 2021-10-18T17:22
不過終究是ARM架構,再強也沒屁用
Connor avatar
By Connor
at 2021-10-21T17:06
PC大作一年比一年多 全球市場始終在300億鎂以上 講沒人玩就唬爛了
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By Hazel
at 2021-10-18T17:22
笑死沒人玩
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By Elvira
at 2021-10-21T17:06
手遊800億 家機500億www
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By Agnes
at 2021-10-18T17:22
要說這比例的話 iPhone應該是沒人用的狀態喔
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By Faithe
at 2021-10-21T17:06
https://i.imgur.com/IQ3KfLZ.png
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By Jake
at 2021-10-18T17:22
這跟Mac 不能跑windows app一樣妙
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By Tom
at 2021-10-21T17:06
PC遊戲市場成長幅度最小
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By Joe
at 2021-10-18T17:22
還是爛,頂多就文書處理
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By Kama
at 2021-10-21T17:06
今年的話 YoY應該還會衰退一些吧
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By Kumar
at 2021-10-18T17:22
不過仍是巨大的存在 另外如果依照用戶數量去看 還是家機兩倍
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By Joseph
at 2021-10-21T17:06
能效比根本不是成比例提升,30W的M1pro就算給它提升到120W,效能也不會是4倍,有個1.x倍差不多,有些人真會幻想
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By Ina
at 2021-10-18T17:22
M1 Max的GPU實力從一代來推測,頂多就GTX1050~1050Ti
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By Linda
at 2021-10-21T17:06
用的人其實就那些,再強也沒用
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By Anonymous
at 2021-10-18T17:22
他不是說可以打得贏5600m還有剩嗎
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By Daph Bay
at 2021-10-21T17:06
影音工作者外 MAC OS對一般人就沒用阿 花大錢買文書機幹麻?
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By Odelette
at 2021-10-18T17:22
有HDR 120Hz也是不錯爽
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By Quintina
at 2021-10-21T17:06
AMD都不下單5NM
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By Joseph
at 2021-10-18T17:22
有人知道M1 Max die size多大嗎?
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By Mia
at 2021-10-21T17:06
又不是說m1版的筆電下架了 你不要macbook pro還有macbook air啊
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By Dorothy
at 2021-10-18T17:22
可能400mm^2左右吧
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By John
at 2021-10-21T17:06
這麼大,難怪看賣法GPU良率不好
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By Edith
at 2021-10-18T17:22
AMD有下單5nm阿
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By Annie
at 2021-10-21T17:06
x86該淘汰了
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By Carolina Franco
at 2021-10-18T17:22
x86淘汰??真是笑話,目前一點徵兆都沒有
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By Valerie
at 2021-10-21T17:06
x86短時間內不會被淘汰好嗎....
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By Bethany
at 2021-10-18T17:22
x86跟arm的專長領域根本不同妄想哪個會被淘汰根本是作夢
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By Kyle
at 2021-10-21T17:06
不會淘汰,會少得可憐。
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By Ethan
at 2021-10-18T17:22
其他家做高階arm的快追不上Apple了
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By Zenobia
at 2021-10-21T17:06
以前頂多差幾季而已
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By Zora
at 2021-10-18T17:22
是說ARM會少的可憐嗎?
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By Jack
at 2021-10-21T17:06
risc v還沒成氣候前 別想太多
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By Enid
at 2021-10-18T17:22
x86輸到脫褲, 第一代CPU就屌虐1.7倍GPU打平NV旗艦
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By Ophelia
at 2021-10-21T17:06
明年M2用ArmV9+4nm, IPC提升40%穩穩
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By Iris
at 2021-10-18T17:22
大概2023年CPU就超車x86三倍左右GPU明年就痛電NV/AMD
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By Hardy
at 2021-10-21T17:06
Wintel玩完了, 剩老本慢慢撐
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By Carolina Franco
at 2021-10-18T17:22
mac 2021Q1銷售yoy 110%沒多久就要吃下20~30%市佔了
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By Olivia
at 2021-10-21T17:06
Wintel剩爛到只能開機的文書機市場
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By Sarah
at 2021-10-18T17:22
和市佔5%的老古董DX遊戲市場
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By Carolina Franco
at 2021-10-21T17:06
繼續打手槍吧 8G=32G
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By Connor
at 2021-10-18T17:22
x86就剩紮草人自己打這種爛招就知道x86真的沒救了
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By Jake
at 2021-10-21T17:06
嗯 有夢最美
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By Blanche
at 2021-10-18T17:22
去年就說電翻x86,今年電翻,以後也是電翻,奇怪板上菜單文應該是M1為主啊
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By Ingrid
at 2021-10-21T17:06
效能跟銷售量是兩回事啊...
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By Jack
at 2021-10-18T17:22
就逐漸反指標化啊,就一直嘴然後愈賣愈好。
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By Jack
at 2021-10-21T17:06
到時候真的被蘋果追上就是,阿能DLSS能光追, 能CUDA嗎?但是市場根本不屌直接賣爆

六廠家近百款Z690 D4 D5積極備戰蓄勢待發

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By Odelette
at 2021-10-19T00:01
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Intel公開AlderLake核心ECore會關AVX512

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By Robert
at 2021-10-19T00:01
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AMD Ryzen 7000曝光:筆電將首上16核

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By Agnes
at 2021-10-19T00:01
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華碩 RT-AX68U AX2700 降價便宜賣

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By Lydia
at 2021-10-19T00:01
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Intel i7-11700 降價便宜賣

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By Daniel
at 2021-10-19T00:00
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