EULA與在非蘋果硬體上安裝OSX的相關法律問題 - MAC

By Gilbert
at 2009-03-12T03:39
at 2009-03-12T03:39
Table of Contents
: 推 Blueshiva:違反EULA所以你沒有得到Apple授權使用,但是你有使用的 03/12 02:22
: → Blueshiva:事實,所以侵害了Apple的財產。你可以上法院之後親耳聽 03/12 02:22
: → Blueshiva:聽看法官再講一次然後罰錢(應該不至於要關),或者現在就 03/12 02:23
: → Blueshiva:乖乖照著人家的規矩走 03/12 02:24
: → lightwater:這樣上法院就可以算,那Apple就是abuse of copyright了 03/12 02:31
: → lightwater:因為他也被人家告EULA侵權耶!這要怎麼算 03/12 02:32
: → lightwater:如果EULA本身就是一個無效的條款,又何來違法之有呢? 03/12 02:34
: → lightwater:所以說法官說了才能算數阿..... 03/12 02:34
: 推 superGA:EULA是apple自己講的 不等於法律ok? 違不違法還有爭議 03/12 02:48
: → superGA:已經有Apple勝訴的案例了嗎? 03/12 02:49
: 推 Blueshiva:樓上兩位到底有沒有念過法律相關的事務啊...我回文好了 03/12 03:10
引言如上,這邊我要分兩個地方來說明。
先講簡單一些的情況,假設 EULA 是有效的。
那麼什麼叫 EULA?
EULA 是 End User License Agreement,也就是提供者與最終使用者之間的合約。合約
內容千奇百怪什麼都可以,只要不違反法律規定不能違反的事項即可。
(這邊必須插題一下,什麼叫法律規定不能違反的事項。基本上法律規定的合約內容,要
是違反社會善良風俗的,合約就算有雙方約定,包含口頭、文字的約定,都不算數,例
如某甲不能因為隔壁小王欠某甲錢,就雙方立約殺掉樓下小八償債)
所以 EULA 是不是 Apple 說了就算數?嚴格上來說,不是,因為使用者也必須同意。但
是在使用者第一次開機時,就有個使用者授權,使用者必須按接受才能繼續使用,而當
使用者按下按鈕的時候,法律上使用者就已經同意了這個合約的內容,因此當使用者違
反了這個合約時,根據合約內容,此人就不再擁有 Mac OSX 的使用授權(因為已經沒有
使用授權,故不能再稱之為"使用者",只能以"此人"代之,但"此人"與之前的"使用者"
代表的是同一個個體),除非此人當下立即停止使用,否則此人就是侵害了 Apple 的財
產權,而這屬於民法的侵權範圍。Apple 要告贏此人是輕而易舉的事。
有人可能會說,那我用改過的 OSX,把啟動時的使用者同意事項跳過不就沒事?是沒錯,
但是若某人改過 OSX,直接的就違反了著作權,Apple 還是很容易的就可以告倒此人。
OK,那如 lightwater 所說,如果 EULA 本身就是個無效的合約呢?那當然就可以把
OSX 裝到其他機器上,但是 EULA 有何地方會被判定是個無效的合約呢?沒有違反善良
風俗,前篇推文有人提的反托拉斯法是個可能的因素,但是套在 Apple 的 OSX 上是完
全的搞笑。反托拉斯法是防止有企業利用其市場的獨佔性,用惡意的手段影響其競爭者
與其競爭而由政府施行一些強制手段。那麼第一,OSX 有市場獨佔性嗎?原告 (這邊我
實很難找到適當的代名詞,但既然要控告違反反托拉斯法,那麼在法庭上陳述這個想法
的理應是提出控告之人,因此應該可以以"原告"代之)當然可以宣稱在 Mac 的機器上,
OSX 獨佔性,但是正常的法官可不會這樣想...畢竟 Mac 在 PC 產業的佔有率不到 10%,
因此反托拉斯法的第一要件就不成立了。不過我們裝作沒看到繼續討論第二要件好了,
惡意手段影響其競爭者...問題是有人看過 Apple 禁止其他廠商為 Mac 寫 OS 嗎?沒
有...Apple 甚至還官方支援了安裝 Windows 在 Mac 上...
所以在討論 OSX 時提出反托拉斯法...我真是覺得啼笑皆非。
根據我個人的看法,要在法律上合法的在其他機器上安裝 OSX,從 EULA 下手是沒用的。
在非 Apple 機器上安裝 Apple Inc. 的 Mac OS X 的人,只能直接挑戰這個 EULA 違反
了某個法律,所以應該是無效的,但是目前我沒有想到有什麼法律可以作為立足點的。
所以我個人的建議是,除非在非 Apple 機器上安裝 Apple Inc. 的 Mac OS X 的人對這
些法律有興趣,想要身先士卒上法院從 Apple 那殺出一條活路,不然就老老實實的去買
台 Mac 來用,不要浪費時間在這個上面。
changelog:
做些代名詞上的修改,避免有人覺得我在攻擊人,尤其是覺得被我攻擊到....
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: → Blueshiva:事實,所以侵害了Apple的財產。你可以上法院之後親耳聽 03/12 02:22
: → Blueshiva:聽看法官再講一次然後罰錢(應該不至於要關),或者現在就 03/12 02:23
: → Blueshiva:乖乖照著人家的規矩走 03/12 02:24
: → lightwater:這樣上法院就可以算,那Apple就是abuse of copyright了 03/12 02:31
: → lightwater:因為他也被人家告EULA侵權耶!這要怎麼算 03/12 02:32
: → lightwater:如果EULA本身就是一個無效的條款,又何來違法之有呢? 03/12 02:34
: → lightwater:所以說法官說了才能算數阿..... 03/12 02:34
: 推 superGA:EULA是apple自己講的 不等於法律ok? 違不違法還有爭議 03/12 02:48
: → superGA:已經有Apple勝訴的案例了嗎? 03/12 02:49
: 推 Blueshiva:樓上兩位到底有沒有念過法律相關的事務啊...我回文好了 03/12 03:10
引言如上,這邊我要分兩個地方來說明。
先講簡單一些的情況,假設 EULA 是有效的。
那麼什麼叫 EULA?
EULA 是 End User License Agreement,也就是提供者與最終使用者之間的合約。合約
內容千奇百怪什麼都可以,只要不違反法律規定不能違反的事項即可。
(這邊必須插題一下,什麼叫法律規定不能違反的事項。基本上法律規定的合約內容,要
是違反社會善良風俗的,合約就算有雙方約定,包含口頭、文字的約定,都不算數,例
如某甲不能因為隔壁小王欠某甲錢,就雙方立約殺掉樓下小八償債)
所以 EULA 是不是 Apple 說了就算數?嚴格上來說,不是,因為使用者也必須同意。但
是在使用者第一次開機時,就有個使用者授權,使用者必須按接受才能繼續使用,而當
使用者按下按鈕的時候,法律上使用者就已經同意了這個合約的內容,因此當使用者違
反了這個合約時,根據合約內容,此人就不再擁有 Mac OSX 的使用授權(因為已經沒有
使用授權,故不能再稱之為"使用者",只能以"此人"代之,但"此人"與之前的"使用者"
代表的是同一個個體),除非此人當下立即停止使用,否則此人就是侵害了 Apple 的財
產權,而這屬於民法的侵權範圍。Apple 要告贏此人是輕而易舉的事。
有人可能會說,那我用改過的 OSX,把啟動時的使用者同意事項跳過不就沒事?是沒錯,
但是若某人改過 OSX,直接的就違反了著作權,Apple 還是很容易的就可以告倒此人。
OK,那如 lightwater 所說,如果 EULA 本身就是個無效的合約呢?那當然就可以把
OSX 裝到其他機器上,但是 EULA 有何地方會被判定是個無效的合約呢?沒有違反善良
風俗,前篇推文有人提的反托拉斯法是個可能的因素,但是套在 Apple 的 OSX 上是完
全的搞笑。反托拉斯法是防止有企業利用其市場的獨佔性,用惡意的手段影響其競爭者
與其競爭而由政府施行一些強制手段。那麼第一,OSX 有市場獨佔性嗎?原告 (這邊我
實很難找到適當的代名詞,但既然要控告違反反托拉斯法,那麼在法庭上陳述這個想法
的理應是提出控告之人,因此應該可以以"原告"代之)當然可以宣稱在 Mac 的機器上,
OSX 獨佔性,但是正常的法官可不會這樣想...畢竟 Mac 在 PC 產業的佔有率不到 10%,
因此反托拉斯法的第一要件就不成立了。不過我們裝作沒看到繼續討論第二要件好了,
惡意手段影響其競爭者...問題是有人看過 Apple 禁止其他廠商為 Mac 寫 OS 嗎?沒
有...Apple 甚至還官方支援了安裝 Windows 在 Mac 上...
所以在討論 OSX 時提出反托拉斯法...我真是覺得啼笑皆非。
根據我個人的看法,要在法律上合法的在其他機器上安裝 OSX,從 EULA 下手是沒用的。
在非 Apple 機器上安裝 Apple Inc. 的 Mac OS X 的人,只能直接挑戰這個 EULA 違反
了某個法律,所以應該是無效的,但是目前我沒有想到有什麼法律可以作為立足點的。
所以我個人的建議是,除非在非 Apple 機器上安裝 Apple Inc. 的 Mac OS X 的人對這
些法律有興趣,想要身先士卒上法院從 Apple 那殺出一條活路,不然就老老實實的去買
台 Mac 來用,不要浪費時間在這個上面。
changelog:
做些代名詞上的修改,避免有人覺得我在攻擊人,尤其是覺得被我攻擊到....
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