Google Pixel由HTC代工硬體和"軟體"! - 手機討論

Edith avatar
By Edith
at 2016-10-23T12:16

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Google seems to have hidden HTC involvement in Google Pixel XL code
Google 似乎刻意隱藏了HTC在Google Pixel手機程式碼上的貢獻

The Google Pixel and Pixel XL are “made by Google”… or at least that is
what the Search Giant is trying to advertise. Though HTC is the ODM (original
design manufacturer), Google is adamant on the argument that this as a work
done by themselves. But with all the mystery surrounding this case, it is
still unclear just how involved HTC was in the making of these devices.
Google 號稱google phone是由google 製造設計。但HTC是否有參與並不清楚

Recent evidence seems to show HTC and Google worked more closely in the
development of the phone than we previously believed. And what is more
surprising is that it seems the Taiwanese phone maker was an important part
of developing the software, something Google is usually all about doing.
最近顯示HTC和google合作比我們之前想的還要緊密。更另人驚訝的是
HTC在軟體開發上伴演了很重要的角色,而這通常我們認為是google在做的事

A commit from an HTC Engineer shows the removal of a said “htc_cerberus”
from all the code. In addition, Android security researcher Jon Sawyer got to
look at the bootchain and found plenty of HTC code in there.
HTC工程師秀出了程式中被移除的"HTC地獄犬"。另外大量的HTC程式碼在bootchain
中被發現

“It’s a standard HTC bootchain with some hardening/changes.” -Jon Sawyer
標準的HTC程式碼被修改了

What is the point of all these changes, then? On a marketing perspective, it
is believed having a true Google phone would help the Mountain View-based
company compete with the likes of Apple and Microsoft, which have their own
operating systems, as well as devices. The Nexus program worked well, but
attaching another manufacturer to the brand probably didn’t make things as “
official”.
為什麼要做這些改變呢?就行銷角度而言,有一個真正的google phone會幫助google
與蘋果和微軟競爭,畢竟他們都有自己的作業系統和裝置。雖然Nexus表現不錯,
但多加了另外一個廠商的名字會使它看起來不正式

While Google has contracted HTC to assemble the Pixel phones, Osterloh says
the approach is no different than Apple’s partnership with iPhone builder
Foxconn. Flip the Pixel over and you’ll see “Made by Google,” another tip
of the hat to Apple, which has long made much of the fact that its phones are
“Designed by Apple in California.” Osterloh says Google will never say the
Pixel is co-engineered with anyone else. He proudly proclaims, “It’s ours.
” – Rick Osterloh, chief of Google’s hardware vision, speaking to Bloomberg
雖然google叫HTC組裝手機,但這個方式跟蘋果與富士康的合作沒有不同。但是Pixel的
背面宣稱"由google製作",就像iPhone背面寫"由蘋果製作"。google永遠不會說這是他
和HTc造出來的結晶,相反的,他會驕傲的說:"這是我做的手機"

The idea here is that the Pixel phones (just like the Chromebook and Pixel C)
are supposed to be mostly designed, elaborated and coded by Google. Instead
we are finding there may not be much of a separation here. Some believe the
new phones may essentially be Nexus devices without the manufacturer branding
– a marketing move, as opposed to an actual business change.

But will the strategy work? Can Google (with the help of HTC, of course)
really take on iPhones on its own? That is something we will have to wait and
see. What do you think?


HTC相來硬體都有創新,軟體優化又超強
可惜行銷爛,沒人會欣賞
東西都被蘋果抄光光
自己虧慘慘

google終於了解到了這一點
HTC唯一的問題就是HTC這三個字
如果改掛apple之類的早就大賣了
所以這次直接掛google名字
果然終於找到HTC最根本的問題了

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All Comments

Jessica avatar
By Jessica
at 2016-10-26T23:53
回去幫人代工賺錢吧 可悲的走回頭路公司
Quanna avatar
By Quanna
at 2016-10-30T11:31
代工王國代好代滿
Anonymous avatar
By Anonymous
at 2016-11-02T23:09
原來是google騙人,我要轉投IOS嗎
Daph Bay avatar
By Daph Bay
at 2016-11-06T10:46
Callum avatar
By Callum
at 2016-11-09T22:24
htc軟體真的不錯,硬體給的不甘願…
Kristin avatar
By Kristin
at 2016-11-13T10:01
行銷真的是爛的可以…科科
Gilbert avatar
By Gilbert
at 2016-11-16T21:39
HTC M系列硬體有給的不甘願嗎 :p
Caroline avatar
By Caroline
at 2016-11-20T09:16
下巴
Gary avatar
By Gary
at 2016-11-23T20:54
M系列也是缺東缺西的…
Genevieve avatar
By Genevieve
at 2016-11-27T08:32
google只是掛名?
Dora avatar
By Dora
at 2016-11-30T20:09
M系列跟同期比 只是各有優劣吧
Skylar Davis avatar
By Skylar Davis
at 2016-12-04T07:47
Htc如果料敢給怎會落到今天這樣
Puput avatar
By Puput
at 2016-12-07T19:24
台灣就是代工霸主
Ursula avatar
By Ursula
at 2016-12-11T07:02
乖乖回去代工八
Christine avatar
By Christine
at 2016-12-14T18:39
行銷這麼爛 ODM搞不好能起死回生
Victoria avatar
By Victoria
at 2016-12-18T06:17
高層都慣老板氣質,當家是炒股王,行銷有人材也沒路走
Blanche avatar
By Blanche
at 2016-12-21T17:55
絕口不提Htc
Charlie avatar
By Charlie
at 2016-12-25T05:32
難怪大家領22k,礙代工
Frederic avatar
By Frederic
at 2016-12-28T17:10
最好是程式碼移光
Audriana avatar
By Audriana
at 2017-01-01T04:47
硬體創新,s400
George avatar
By George
at 2017-01-04T16:25
Google:我把跟HTC放在一起 htc只有減分效果
Regina avatar
By Regina
at 2017-01-08T04:02
中國人的手機 怪不得人
Franklin avatar
By Franklin
at 2017-01-11T15:40
蟲返農藥
Brianna avatar
By Brianna
at 2017-01-15T03:18
google真聰明(咦?
Charlotte avatar
By Charlotte
at 2017-01-18T14:55
台灣果然不適合搞品牌 代工本業
Belly avatar
By Belly
at 2017-01-22T02:33
硬體創新?
Ophelia avatar
By Ophelia
at 2017-01-25T14:10
一堆人說htc只是代工 呵呵
Sarah avatar
By Sarah
at 2017-01-29T01:48
重返農藥
Todd Johnson avatar
By Todd Johnson
at 2017-02-01T13:25
可惜硬體天生受潮
Delia avatar
By Delia
at 2017-02-05T01:03
上一篇喊著OEM的不知道褲子還在嗎?
Zora avatar
By Zora
at 2017-02-08T12:40
說起來不算啦 只是個比方 軟硬如果都是htc設計
Suhail Hany avatar
By Suhail Hany
at 2017-02-12T00:18
掛個google就比較好 那該檢討是htc自己的品牌維護
Cara avatar
By Cara
at 2017-02-15T11:56
HTC是要不到料吧,根本沒貨可搶
Puput avatar
By Puput
at 2017-02-18T23:33
google這招絕對沒錯
Hedwig avatar
By Hedwig
at 2017-02-22T11:11
掛htc銷量直接腰折
Leila avatar
By Leila
at 2017-02-25T22:48
如果設計和軟硬都沒問題 就高層的腦袋....
Bethany avatar
By Bethany
at 2017-03-01T10:26
這隻軟體會比11強XD
Carolina Franco avatar
By Carolina Franco
at 2017-03-04T22:03
研替辛苦了
Olga avatar
By Olga
at 2017-03-08T09:41
大概是因為有掛HTC就不能賣信仰價了,只有Google就
John avatar
By John
at 2017-03-11T21:19
可以令人高潮不斷,即使是信仰價也是大吼:買買買
Hedwig avatar
By Hedwig
at 2017-03-15T08:56
又要怪行銷喔
Oscar avatar
By Oscar
at 2017-03-18T20:34
一吐悶氣,爽了嗎?XD
Joseph avatar
By Joseph
at 2017-03-22T08:11
悲劇…
Olga avatar
By Olga
at 2017-03-25T19:49
參與設計沒有被提起,整部手機只有電池有HTC,和代工有什麼分別呢?會放這消息出來不是為了炒股嗎?調校得再好自己品牌賣的是s400、p10(還很貴)就是不爭的事實
Necoo avatar
By Necoo
at 2017-03-29T07:26
就…掛htc就不能賣跟iphoneㄧ樣貴惹
Dorothy avatar
By Dorothy
at 2017-04-01T19:04
結果在檢討htc 什麼鬼XDD
Freda avatar
By Freda
at 2017-04-05T06:42
Google會不會收購HTC手機部門啊??然後HTC專心做VR
Frederica avatar
By Frederica
at 2017-04-08T18:19
本來是多了sense加5000變成多了google加5000嗎?
Hazel avatar
By Hazel
at 2017-04-12T05:57
GOOGLE認證 只能是代工廠的火腿腸
Quanna avatar
By Quanna
at 2017-04-15T17:34
硬體創新,s400
Jacob avatar
By Jacob
at 2017-04-19T05:12
Google不會收購的 當初HTC和蘋果簽了專利權契約 有但書規定在經營權易主後契約自動失效 而且要喝牛奶不一定要養條牛 給HTC代工就好了 像蘋果也是給富士康代工
Xanthe avatar
By Xanthe
at 2017-04-22T16:49
品牌價值-5000?
Linda avatar
By Linda
at 2017-04-26T04:27
掛別牌名字都一樣賣不好,血統不純的意思啊
Joe avatar
By Joe
at 2017-04-29T16:05
太慘了吧XDDD掛Google多了一堆人想要
Dora avatar
By Dora
at 2017-05-03T03:42
今天掛lg huawei 一樣都low
Carol avatar
By Carol
at 2017-05-06T15:20
有沒有人看了這篇消息後突然不想買了+1 (誤
Tom avatar
By Tom
at 2017-05-10T02:57
拜託各位看看英文原文,不要只看標題還有翻譯
Caitlin avatar
By Caitlin
at 2017-05-13T14:35
M系列中規中矩 中低階電子拉基海
Elizabeth avatar
By Elizabeth
at 2017-05-17T02:12
HTC 加油~~!!看完這篇更加堅定購買Pixel XL的想法!!面子和裡子我寧願先選裡子~~
Hedy avatar
By Hedy
at 2017-05-20T13:50
PTT看世界 一堆喊買,銷量出來便知曉
Isabella avatar
By Isabella
at 2017-05-24T01:27
說真的,htc真的該好好磨磨功力了
Kyle avatar
By Kyle
at 2017-05-27T13:05
HTC自砸招牌 沒辦法(攤手
David avatar
By David
at 2017-05-31T00:43
htc的rd技術能力也沒啥問題 最大問題就是經營者與公司策略行銷的問題 早期一堆高手在裡面 現在都跑光也沒啥高手想進去了
Tracy avatar
By Tracy
at 2017-06-03T12:20
一堆可悲思維,別丟臉了,google親睞也能酸
Eden avatar
By Eden
at 2017-06-06T23:58
真的是ptt看世界
Queena avatar
By Queena
at 2017-06-10T11:35
以前挑人也挑的很嚴格 現在幾乎隨便就進去 品質自然不在話下啦
Donna avatar
By Donna
at 2017-06-13T23:13
慘了 所以台灣保固是聯強嗎 誰要買阿
Olive avatar
By Olive
at 2017-06-17T10:50
只有我覺得這很合理嗎,做硬體的要把driver一併寫好不是正常的嗎
Mary avatar
By Mary
at 2017-06-20T22:28
有掛htc我才不想買,htc參與得越多我只會覺得這產品讓我不想買。這隻的價值就是在htc只有代工而已啊
John avatar
By John
at 2017-06-24T10:06
如果連設計/上層的軟體,那就失去這宗旨了...
Bethany avatar
By Bethany
at 2017-06-27T21:43
^都有代工廠參與
Selena avatar
By Selena
at 2017-07-01T09:21
重點是google加強主控權,才會讓人想買
Wallis avatar
By Wallis
at 2017-07-04T20:58
還有代工廠寫driver很正常啊 不然google自己搞軟硬整合嗎XD
Frederic avatar
By Frederic
at 2017-07-08T08:36
高層是google 的腦袋,底層是htc工程師,完美組合啊
Freda avatar
By Freda
at 2017-07-11T20:13
ㄐㄒㄈ不意外
Joseph avatar
By Joseph
at 2017-07-15T07:51
bootchain把HW點起來不是代工廠該做的事嗎?最好上面Android都是HTC寫的...
Jake avatar
By Jake
at 2017-07-18T19:29
另外chip不是HTC提供的,driver搞不好就不是了,可能只有初始化hw registers
Joe avatar
By Joe
at 2017-07-22T07:06
看完原文好嗎?標題跟翻譯殺人
Doris avatar
By Doris
at 2017-07-25T18:44
重返代工
Ophelia avatar
By Ophelia
at 2017-07-29T06:21
其實看原文沒差 AA長期品質本來就爛
Elma avatar
By Elma
at 2017-08-01T17:59
想太多,有這麼優質早飛上天了,把失誤都推給行銷無濟於事,還是想想股價要怎麼重返榮耀比較實際
Dorothy avatar
By Dorothy
at 2017-08-05T05:36
看XDA原文 作者也有在Reddit說只是想說把HTC參與的程度 和osterloh對彭博說的版本對照
Harry avatar
By Harry
at 2017-08-08T17:14
還有沒用過git喔 若要藏會把kernel git tree直接搬開源喔 每個commit都讓你看清清楚楚嗎 要藏就學廠商先清乾淨再打包發就好 谷歌在安卓上倒是沒這般幹過
Delia avatar
By Delia
at 2017-08-12T04:52
票房毒藥XD
Kelly avatar
By Kelly
at 2017-08-15T16:29
第一次看到iFixit失手拆壞螢幕 聯想到可能是HTC設計也是非常合理的
Sarah avatar
By Sarah
at 2017-08-19T04:07
還有bootchain那部分是 手機/arm沒有統一的boot方式每一家用arm處理器的手機開機方式都不一樣 Pixels就是用HTC的方式 bootloader也是由HTC的簽名
Hamiltion avatar
By Hamiltion
at 2017-08-22T15:44
樓上 還來喔 螢幕那部分設計是谷歌 沒啥好辯的 HTC就組裝生產方面提供回饋 不會意外
Emily avatar
By Emily
at 2017-08-26T03:22
若要說手機有由代工廠簽名 那就是nextbit robin由富士康簽 這是代工廠在設計涉入深的例子 但這類情況僅作參考 要看全局啊 蘋果也是富士康 但當然沒有讓它簽
Ingrid avatar
By Ingrid
at 2017-08-29T14:59
文中那位jcase 前幾天才發表pork explosion 嗯 富士康出廠沒把測試模式分區內容刪掉或禁用 結果是把它們在硬體上涉入深的手機留後門 robin就中招
Freda avatar
By Freda
at 2017-09-02T02:37
奇怪,一堆人應該看一下XDA那邊的原文吧
Valerie avatar
By Valerie
at 2017-09-05T14:14
選料由G決定,htc設計。G元件能選的幾乎都挑業界最好的。這隻Android 推薦
Anonymous avatar
By Anonymous
at 2017-09-09T01:52
反正好用就好 我還沒入教
Wallis avatar
By Wallis
at 2017-09-12T13:30
推 mog大又出來說明了 話說Pixel內部模組化很棒
Isabella avatar
By Isabella
at 2017-09-16T01:07
指紋都做在後面了 下方沒辦法像上代nexus做前置雙喇叭是可惜的點 不然真的就是當下安卓王了
Dinah avatar
By Dinah
at 2017-09-19T12:45
說個笑話:Htc懂行銷
Audriana avatar
By Audriana
at 2017-09-23T00:22
HTC先拿掉內建受潮在來說~
Callum avatar
By Callum
at 2017-09-26T12:00
XDA原文是這個?https://goo.gl/jpbISJ
William avatar
By William
at 2017-09-29T23:37
你不懂拉!一流的企業只賣品牌XD
Caroline avatar
By Caroline
at 2017-10-03T11:15
如果真的是HTC設計的 怎麼沒有雙喇叭 都你說就好啦
Suhail Hany avatar
By Suhail Hany
at 2017-10-06T22:53
cin2你實在太無聊...
Caroline avatar
By Caroline
at 2017-10-10T10:30
有人真是...
Sierra Rose avatar
By Sierra Rose
at 2017-10-13T22:08
水準低落
Margaret avatar
By Margaret
at 2017-10-17T09:45
別人說什麼你就信阿 自導設計跟客製化不一樣好嗎
Mary avatar
By Mary
at 2017-10-20T21:23
我知道2xist的內褲設計師是cin2出來的
Sierra Rose avatar
By Sierra Rose
at 2017-10-24T09:00
一一|
Hedwig avatar
By Hedwig
at 2017-10-27T20:38
只想罵髒話,真搞的出來看看自家旗艦,炒股用…
Regina avatar
By Regina
at 2017-10-31T08:16
所以htc10開始系統越來越原生是為了幫pixel練功?
Olive avatar
By Olive
at 2017-11-03T19:53
不是HTC10越來越原生 是原生越來越HTC
Zanna avatar
By Zanna
at 2017-11-07T07:31
樓上是羅禮士的概念嗎??
Jake avatar
By Jake
at 2017-11-10T19:08
某粉發洩中
Noah avatar
By Noah
at 2017-11-14T06:46
HTC HTC
Tracy avatar
By Tracy
at 2017-11-17T18:23
原生哪來愈來愈HTC,平行世界?君不見SenseUX已死了嗎 那原本才是完整的HTC...
Dorothy avatar
By Dorothy
at 2017-11-21T06:01
sense是被放棄,不是被做走的,不知多少年htc不再談使用體驗了
Thomas avatar
By Thomas
at 2017-11-24T17:39
軟硬體都HTC?!那大家可以回家啦
Ethan avatar
By Ethan
at 2017-11-28T05:16
底層由代工的H負責 上層由主導開發ANDROID的G負責
Tracy avatar
By Tracy
at 2017-12-01T16:54
這不是很直觀嗎? 難道有人以為H把上下層都包了?
David avatar
By David
at 2017-12-05T04:31
掛Google招牌大家說全壘打,掛hTC招牌大家說很爛
Hedy avatar
By Hedy
at 2017-12-08T16:09
HTC的東西,不敢說比其他品牌強到哪裡,但也並不會比其他品牌差,但就是會一直被大家酸…不懂
Emily avatar
By Emily
at 2017-12-12T03:46
怎麼不去想想做手機代工的這麼多家,為何是找HTC?況且還是第一支以google自己為名的,真以為google會找爛廠砸自己招牌?
Puput avatar
By Puput
at 2017-12-15T15:24
感覺Google都會找快不行的合作伙伴來救它。
Todd Johnson avatar
By Todd Johnson
at 2017-12-19T03:01
代工王
Madame avatar
By Madame
at 2017-12-22T14:39
跟蘋果掛Foxconn就不會有人買的概念一樣,幫hTC QQ
William avatar
By William
at 2017-12-26T02:17
htc唯一的錯誤就是生在台灣
Sierra Rose avatar
By Sierra Rose
at 2017-12-29T13:54
HTC 10該給都給了還是被酸
Emily avatar
By Emily
at 2018-01-02T01:32
同意樓上 不過這也是整體台灣企業的處境 反正就繼續打拼 總得活下去啊
Kelly avatar
By Kelly
at 2018-01-05T13:09
HTC10板上口碑OK吧,就防水不夠好,續航略弱而已
Ula avatar
By Ula
at 2018-01-09T00:47
北美區沒有什麼人酸啊,T-Mobile賣到沒貨了而已
Skylar Davis avatar
By Skylar Davis
at 2018-01-12T12:24
只不過HTC現在連自家人都不挺,也是事實自己人都賣得差,在外面想賣得好,難度很高
Ina avatar
By Ina
at 2018-01-16T00:02
最強代工
Sandy avatar
By Sandy
at 2018-01-19T11:40
說HTC一直被酸的是只活在台灣吧,出國根本沒人提阿
Ula avatar
By Ula
at 2018-01-22T23:17
況且台灣市場的量就算1/2都買HTC,也救不了HTC啊,被被台灣酸到死有差嗎,而這正也是HTC策略啊
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By Hedda
at 2018-01-26T10:55
https://goo.gl/0l3Mzl PIXEL背面好像馬來膜
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By Heather
at 2018-01-29T22:32
做google的事 領htc薪水
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By Erin
at 2018-02-02T10:10
Google把HTC買起來?
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By Skylar DavisLinda
at 2018-02-05T21:47
說實在的,乾脆google買下htc手機部門算了

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By Edith
at 2016-10-23T12:11
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By James
at 2016-10-23T12:05
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By Charlie
at 2016-10-23T12:02
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By Ida
at 2016-10-23T11:47
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By Harry
at 2016-10-23T11:19
標題無[]分類者水桶三天,尤其是手機發文者須特別注意! 板規4.請理性討論並尊重每個人的看法 如有人身攻擊,引戰或不適合之討論 版主依情況鎖文/刪文/劣文/水桶 情節嚴重者至少六個月以上水桶處分 ========請在發文時將以上引言刪掉,ctrl+y可刪一整行========= 各位前輩大家好 ...