H110是不是被低估了呢 - 3C

By Leila
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難得有人要討論H110的板子,來回一下XD
基本上一塊主機板成本(BOM cost)不外乎集中在一些晶片上(廢話)
比較貴的項目例如PCH(Z170/H170/B150/H110)、功率晶片、BIOS、音效晶片、Super IO
高階一點的板子可能會再加個USB type-C的控制IC,或是PD (power delivery)
後面兩項音效跟superIO基本上是台廠的天下,價錢也是殺到爛了
PCH死豬價,各家板卡業者基本上也沒什麼撙節的空間
能動的大概只剩功率晶片(v core controller + power mos)
這也是為什麼各家板卡幾乎只能在幾相供電上面做文章增加賣點
以我來挑,我喜歡簡單的板子M-ATX,我會這樣選:
1. 看PCI-E擴充槽的擺設,因為我需要再插一張PCIE x1的音效卡
2. SATA接頭是橫出還是直出,我是小機殼,橫出的線不好插
3. 有IDE的super IO打槍
4. 後面USB port至少6個(2.0or3.0),要有19pin USB3.0
至於板廠最在意的幾相供電,我反而不在意,不超頻的話只要符合基本需要的就夠了
因為就算省料省到極致,他們也不敢省得太誇張 (例如CPU只給1~2相),
至少都會測過,也會抓buffer(一半),例如MOS可耐30A,最多只會讓它流過15A
那基本需要多少呢?
以CPU而言,大概抓個50A;DRAM (4dimm)抓個80-100A
所以CPU 3~6相就夠了,再多就是for超頻 (有的設計是MOS併聯同相做current sharing)
要確定幾相有個方法,就是直接查MOS前面的controller (V core),看它支援幾相
板廠要省成本不外乎就是用效率較低較便宜的MOS,或是用耐電流較低的MOS併聯取代
這些方法都沒有問題,反正MOS不要爆炸,電流平衡做得夠好就行
另外就是,power MOS和電容一樣,也是會隨著使用時間而老化。
※ 引述《biblemouse (狐狸忽離)》之銘言:
: 最近幾天看了主機板挑選的相關文章,發現自己的觀念跟板上大多人的想法並不一致,爬
: 文發現例如大家都推B150晶片組的主機板,而不推H110的板。
: 以下是最近幾天查的資料,想跟大家一起討論交流指教一下。
: 以下用華碩最便宜的板H110M-K 跟 版上25K菜單常用的搭機板B150M-A/m.2做比較
: 下面是我自製的表格以及看法,請多指教
: http://imgur.com/fQZETdV
: http://tinyurl.com/jb7fp2s
: RAM
: 一般來說DDR4都會用8G以上,而一般使用8+8=16G的容量就足夠大多人的用途,考慮未來
: 也可先16G以後+16G=32G。
: 後面板內顯
: 如果有搭獨顯似乎也就不會用到,而且只差一個hdmi,也能用轉接頭解決。
: PCIE擴充槽
: 這倒是跟我查到的不一樣H110晶片組好像預設是PCIE2.0,但官網上的確是寫用PCIE3.0。
: SATA
: 以主流配法SSD+HDD再加光碟機,也只用3個SATA,H110提供4個SATA似乎就足夠使用了,
: 除非有多硬碟或m.2 SSD需求,但目前好像大多人還是用SATA SSD
: 後面板USB
: 很意外的USB3.0的數量是一樣的,H110M-K的USB2.0多兩個,而B150M-A/M.2則是有USB-C
: ,但以目前的通用度來說,USB2.0還比較實用。
: 機殼風扇
: 這部分好像就有差了,一般都會配前後風扇 而H110M-K只能插一個,但能透過PSU接機殼
: 風扇解決
: 保固
: 兩個都一樣4年
: 版上推B150的想法是 1.擴充性佳 2.價格差不多沒必要買閹割板 3.用料有差
: 1.我覺得除非是自己懂電腦喜歡會加東加西,不然H110的介面也夠一般人使用,多出來的
: 擴充性一般人也不懂,甚至用到電腦大限已到也不會用到。
: 2.價格上價差將近一千元,幾乎是可以再加一條8G RAM的價差,覺得差滿多的。
: 3.用料這方面才是我真正想請教的部分,因為我真的看不懂電容之類的差異,爬文也找不
: 到這兩個主機板在用料上差別在哪些地方,希望有高人能指出具體的差異,但從保固都是
: 四年的角度來看,似乎也不會差很多?
: 如果是懂得自組電腦,而且未來需要擴充時有能力自己加裝的話,B150M-A/m.2確實是比
: 較好的選擇
: 但是如果是組給家人或親戚朋友的話,H110M-K似乎就夠用了,而且還能從價差上多拿一
: 個8G RAM,所以其實H110也是一種選擇?
: 以上是我近日爬文疑惑,還請各位多多交流指教>_<
--
基本上一塊主機板成本(BOM cost)不外乎集中在一些晶片上(廢話)
比較貴的項目例如PCH(Z170/H170/B150/H110)、功率晶片、BIOS、音效晶片、Super IO
高階一點的板子可能會再加個USB type-C的控制IC,或是PD (power delivery)
後面兩項音效跟superIO基本上是台廠的天下,價錢也是殺到爛了
PCH死豬價,各家板卡業者基本上也沒什麼撙節的空間
能動的大概只剩功率晶片(v core controller + power mos)
這也是為什麼各家板卡幾乎只能在幾相供電上面做文章增加賣點
以我來挑,我喜歡簡單的板子M-ATX,我會這樣選:
1. 看PCI-E擴充槽的擺設,因為我需要再插一張PCIE x1的音效卡
2. SATA接頭是橫出還是直出,我是小機殼,橫出的線不好插
3. 有IDE的super IO打槍
4. 後面USB port至少6個(2.0or3.0),要有19pin USB3.0
至於板廠最在意的幾相供電,我反而不在意,不超頻的話只要符合基本需要的就夠了
因為就算省料省到極致,他們也不敢省得太誇張 (例如CPU只給1~2相),
至少都會測過,也會抓buffer(一半),例如MOS可耐30A,最多只會讓它流過15A
那基本需要多少呢?
以CPU而言,大概抓個50A;DRAM (4dimm)抓個80-100A
所以CPU 3~6相就夠了,再多就是for超頻 (有的設計是MOS併聯同相做current sharing)
要確定幾相有個方法,就是直接查MOS前面的controller (V core),看它支援幾相
板廠要省成本不外乎就是用效率較低較便宜的MOS,或是用耐電流較低的MOS併聯取代
這些方法都沒有問題,反正MOS不要爆炸,電流平衡做得夠好就行
另外就是,power MOS和電容一樣,也是會隨著使用時間而老化。
※ 引述《biblemouse (狐狸忽離)》之銘言:
: 最近幾天看了主機板挑選的相關文章,發現自己的觀念跟板上大多人的想法並不一致,爬
: 文發現例如大家都推B150晶片組的主機板,而不推H110的板。
: 以下是最近幾天查的資料,想跟大家一起討論交流指教一下。
: 以下用華碩最便宜的板H110M-K 跟 版上25K菜單常用的搭機板B150M-A/m.2做比較
: 下面是我自製的表格以及看法,請多指教
: http://imgur.com/fQZETdV
: http://tinyurl.com/jb7fp2s
: RAM
: 一般來說DDR4都會用8G以上,而一般使用8+8=16G的容量就足夠大多人的用途,考慮未來
: 也可先16G以後+16G=32G。
: 後面板內顯
: 如果有搭獨顯似乎也就不會用到,而且只差一個hdmi,也能用轉接頭解決。
: PCIE擴充槽
: 這倒是跟我查到的不一樣H110晶片組好像預設是PCIE2.0,但官網上的確是寫用PCIE3.0。
: SATA
: 以主流配法SSD+HDD再加光碟機,也只用3個SATA,H110提供4個SATA似乎就足夠使用了,
: 除非有多硬碟或m.2 SSD需求,但目前好像大多人還是用SATA SSD
: 後面板USB
: 很意外的USB3.0的數量是一樣的,H110M-K的USB2.0多兩個,而B150M-A/M.2則是有USB-C
: ,但以目前的通用度來說,USB2.0還比較實用。
: 機殼風扇
: 這部分好像就有差了,一般都會配前後風扇 而H110M-K只能插一個,但能透過PSU接機殼
: 風扇解決
: 保固
: 兩個都一樣4年
: 版上推B150的想法是 1.擴充性佳 2.價格差不多沒必要買閹割板 3.用料有差
: 1.我覺得除非是自己懂電腦喜歡會加東加西,不然H110的介面也夠一般人使用,多出來的
: 擴充性一般人也不懂,甚至用到電腦大限已到也不會用到。
: 2.價格上價差將近一千元,幾乎是可以再加一條8G RAM的價差,覺得差滿多的。
: 3.用料這方面才是我真正想請教的部分,因為我真的看不懂電容之類的差異,爬文也找不
: 到這兩個主機板在用料上差別在哪些地方,希望有高人能指出具體的差異,但從保固都是
: 四年的角度來看,似乎也不會差很多?
: 如果是懂得自組電腦,而且未來需要擴充時有能力自己加裝的話,B150M-A/m.2確實是比
: 較好的選擇
: 但是如果是組給家人或親戚朋友的話,H110M-K似乎就夠用了,而且還能從價差上多拿一
: 個8G RAM,所以其實H110也是一種選擇?
: 以上是我近日爬文疑惑,還請各位多多交流指教>_<
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