Intel稱超過10核沒什麼用, 暗諷AMD膠水 - 3C
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在 AMD 推出 Zen 架構處理器之後就開啟了多核心大戰,普及桌面8核,高階旗艦市場還
帶來了16核、32核處理器,Intel 也不得不應戰,去年推出了6核12線程的八代,今年則
會升級8核16線程的九代。儘管 Intel 現在也推出超多核處理器,但是 Intel 架構師日
前發了一篇很有意思的文章,表示 PC 處理器超過10核沒什麼用,反而會帶來發熱、功耗
等問題。此外,他還強調 Intel 將繼續推進提升單核心的方式提升 CPU 內核數量,不會
用那種將多個小核心粘貼起來的方式,言外之意就是對 AMD 的膠水多核方式不能苟同。
在多核處理器上,Intel 與 AMD 現在有明顯不同的路線之爭——Intel 還在使用傳統的
思路,那就是在單一核心上集成更多的 CPU 內核,Skylake -SP 架構上最多做到了28核
,而 AMD 在 Zen 架構上使用的是 CCX 架構,每個 CCX 包括4個 CPU 核心,每個核心都
有獨立的L1與L2快取,共享8MB L3快取,每個核心都可以選擇性的附加 SMT 超線程,另
外 CCX 內部的核心是可以單獨關閉的。
AMD 處理器架構中,兩個 CCX 之間使用高速 Infinity Fabric 進行通信,通過設計多
個 CCX 核心的方式可以實現8核、16核以及32核處理器,這種模塊化架構的好處是比較靈
活,因為製造 CCX 核心的良率也比較高,因此還能降低成本,不過缺點就是 CCX 之間的
通信延遲顯然是不如 Intel 原生核心那麼低,因此效能上會有妥協。
AMD CCX 多核架構
http://www.coolaler.com.tw/image/news/18/09/amd-ccx.jpg
理解上面的差異之後,再來看 Intel 的說法——Intel 公司客戶端計算部門研究員、首
席架構師Guy Therien日前發表了一篇名為《應對核心效能及核心數量挑戰》的文章,談
到了現在的處理器核心數量及核心效能面臨的挑戰。
在 CPU 核心數量方面,他提到一個永恆的問題——更多的 CPU 核心數意味著更好嗎?他
說答案是否定的,因為大多數應用程序,包括遊戲、生產力應用及辦公應用都沒有針對(
超)多執行緒做優化,使用大量處理器內核並不能為消費者帶來收益。
通過對客戶端工作負載的分析,Guy Therien表示當前應用程序優化最多的也沒有超過10
個核心。他還指出如果不需要更多內核,擁有更多的 CPU 內核帶來的作用其實是負面的
,更多核心意味著更多熱量,在設定的TDP功耗下,只能降低每個核心的效能上限以控制
總的發熱量,這又會減緩典型應用的效能。
當然,他也沒有把話說死,Guy Therien指出客戶端計算中有一個範圍很小但很重要的應
用,那就是可以利用更多的內核實現3D渲染、模擬或者360度視頻編輯等,他表示 Intel
在這方面還將繼續成為效能領導者。
有意思的是,Guy Therien表示 Intel 推進多核效能、提升核心數量的方式是繼續提高單
一核心(monolithic die)集成的 CPU 內核數,而非將多個小核心粘貼在一起。了解過
前面的技術背景的人應該知道這是在說 Intel 與 AMD 在多核設計上的不同,Guy
Therien表示他們的設計可以減少多核處理器中的延遲,降低了工作負載中的效能波動,
因為消費者不會接受任何妥協,他們只關心工作任務執行的一致性。
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官方認證
https://imgur.com/94KKqjE.jpg
https://imgur.com/HHSmLZ7.jpg
以上都是垃圾 不要買
膠水也是垃圾,請繼續買我們同效能卻要上冷水機的產品 謝謝
來源
http://www.coolaler.com/threads/intel-cpu-10-amd.352819/
--
帶來了16核、32核處理器,Intel 也不得不應戰,去年推出了6核12線程的八代,今年則
會升級8核16線程的九代。儘管 Intel 現在也推出超多核處理器,但是 Intel 架構師日
前發了一篇很有意思的文章,表示 PC 處理器超過10核沒什麼用,反而會帶來發熱、功耗
等問題。此外,他還強調 Intel 將繼續推進提升單核心的方式提升 CPU 內核數量,不會
用那種將多個小核心粘貼起來的方式,言外之意就是對 AMD 的膠水多核方式不能苟同。
在多核處理器上,Intel 與 AMD 現在有明顯不同的路線之爭——Intel 還在使用傳統的
思路,那就是在單一核心上集成更多的 CPU 內核,Skylake -SP 架構上最多做到了28核
,而 AMD 在 Zen 架構上使用的是 CCX 架構,每個 CCX 包括4個 CPU 核心,每個核心都
有獨立的L1與L2快取,共享8MB L3快取,每個核心都可以選擇性的附加 SMT 超線程,另
外 CCX 內部的核心是可以單獨關閉的。
AMD 處理器架構中,兩個 CCX 之間使用高速 Infinity Fabric 進行通信,通過設計多
個 CCX 核心的方式可以實現8核、16核以及32核處理器,這種模塊化架構的好處是比較靈
活,因為製造 CCX 核心的良率也比較高,因此還能降低成本,不過缺點就是 CCX 之間的
通信延遲顯然是不如 Intel 原生核心那麼低,因此效能上會有妥協。
AMD CCX 多核架構
http://www.coolaler.com.tw/image/news/18/09/amd-ccx.jpg
![](http://www.coolaler.com.tw/image/news/18/09/amd-ccx.jpg)
理解上面的差異之後,再來看 Intel 的說法——Intel 公司客戶端計算部門研究員、首
席架構師Guy Therien日前發表了一篇名為《應對核心效能及核心數量挑戰》的文章,談
到了現在的處理器核心數量及核心效能面臨的挑戰。
在 CPU 核心數量方面,他提到一個永恆的問題——更多的 CPU 核心數意味著更好嗎?他
說答案是否定的,因為大多數應用程序,包括遊戲、生產力應用及辦公應用都沒有針對(
超)多執行緒做優化,使用大量處理器內核並不能為消費者帶來收益。
通過對客戶端工作負載的分析,Guy Therien表示當前應用程序優化最多的也沒有超過10
個核心。他還指出如果不需要更多內核,擁有更多的 CPU 內核帶來的作用其實是負面的
,更多核心意味著更多熱量,在設定的TDP功耗下,只能降低每個核心的效能上限以控制
總的發熱量,這又會減緩典型應用的效能。
當然,他也沒有把話說死,Guy Therien指出客戶端計算中有一個範圍很小但很重要的應
用,那就是可以利用更多的內核實現3D渲染、模擬或者360度視頻編輯等,他表示 Intel
在這方面還將繼續成為效能領導者。
有意思的是,Guy Therien表示 Intel 推進多核效能、提升核心數量的方式是繼續提高單
一核心(monolithic die)集成的 CPU 內核數,而非將多個小核心粘貼在一起。了解過
前面的技術背景的人應該知道這是在說 Intel 與 AMD 在多核設計上的不同,Guy
Therien表示他們的設計可以減少多核處理器中的延遲,降低了工作負載中的效能波動,
因為消費者不會接受任何妥協,他們只關心工作任務執行的一致性。
------------------------------------------
官方認證
https://imgur.com/94KKqjE.jpg
https://imgur.com/HHSmLZ7.jpg
以上都是垃圾 不要買
膠水也是垃圾,請繼續買我們同效能卻要上冷水機的產品 謝謝
來源
http://www.coolaler.com/threads/intel-cpu-10-amd.352819/
--
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