NVIDIA:台積電7nm也想賣我們,但我們的 - 3C

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NVIDIA:台積電7nm也想賣我們,但我們的天才是性能、能效
https://www.expreview.com/67453.html
前兩天的GTC 2019大會上,NVIDIA宣布的重磅消息多是有關光線追踪的,不僅有越來越多
的遊戲支持RTX光追,4月份新驅動將會為Psacal顯卡也帶來光追支持,全員光追就對了。
本屆GTC大會也不是沒被吐槽,期望已久的7nm GPU並沒有亮相,在製程工藝依然是AMD的
Radeon VII顯卡領先,它使用的是台積電的7nm工藝,NVIDIA現在的圖靈GPU依然是12nm工
藝。NVIDIA為什麼對7nm工藝不上心呢?CEO黃仁勳表示台積電的7nm是開放銷售的,也樂
意賣給NVIDIA,但是NVIDIA不想依賴別人家的晶圓工藝,因為NVIDIA的天才是性能、能效
,而不是芯片尺寸。
在GTC大會後NVIDIA創始人、CEO黃仁勳接受了採訪,digitaltrends報導稱黃仁勳談到了
多個話題,其中就有AMD的Radeon VII顯卡使用的7nm工藝在製程工藝上保持領先的問題,
相比之下NVIDIA的圖靈顯卡依然在使用12nm FFN工藝,難道NVIDIA不著急嗎?
黃仁勳嘲諷(原文用的是mock,有嘲笑、嘲諷的意思)說,“7nm工藝是公開銷售的,台
積電也樂意賣給我們,但是一個公司如果只是依賴購買別家的晶圓,那它的天才是什麼?
你自己對晶圓又有什麼貢獻?”
“NVIDIA的天才就是它的工程能力,”,黃仁勳表示,“重要的結果是性能、能效,而不
是面積大小。”
雖然使用了(面積)更大的架構,但是黃仁勳表示NVIDIA超人的工程使得圖靈超過了競品
,“(圖靈顯卡的)能效如此優秀,以致於比其他人的7nm顯卡還要好,成本更低、能耗
更低、性能更好,而且功能更多。”
圖靈GPU使用的是台積電的12nm FFN工藝,NVIDIA投入了大量時間及資金來與台積電設計
芯片架構以獲得他們想要的性能。(注:12nm FFN工藝中的N指的就是NVIDIA定制,這個
工藝說是雙方聯合定制研發的,不過相關細節一直沒有公佈。)
--
老黃:某家公司只能靠 7nm 縮小晶片尺寸和壓低功耗然後能效還輸給我們的 12nm
7nm ? 殺雞焉用牛刀www
--
https://www.expreview.com/67453.html
前兩天的GTC 2019大會上,NVIDIA宣布的重磅消息多是有關光線追踪的,不僅有越來越多
的遊戲支持RTX光追,4月份新驅動將會為Psacal顯卡也帶來光追支持,全員光追就對了。
本屆GTC大會也不是沒被吐槽,期望已久的7nm GPU並沒有亮相,在製程工藝依然是AMD的
Radeon VII顯卡領先,它使用的是台積電的7nm工藝,NVIDIA現在的圖靈GPU依然是12nm工
藝。NVIDIA為什麼對7nm工藝不上心呢?CEO黃仁勳表示台積電的7nm是開放銷售的,也樂
意賣給NVIDIA,但是NVIDIA不想依賴別人家的晶圓工藝,因為NVIDIA的天才是性能、能效
,而不是芯片尺寸。
在GTC大會後NVIDIA創始人、CEO黃仁勳接受了採訪,digitaltrends報導稱黃仁勳談到了
多個話題,其中就有AMD的Radeon VII顯卡使用的7nm工藝在製程工藝上保持領先的問題,
相比之下NVIDIA的圖靈顯卡依然在使用12nm FFN工藝,難道NVIDIA不著急嗎?
黃仁勳嘲諷(原文用的是mock,有嘲笑、嘲諷的意思)說,“7nm工藝是公開銷售的,台
積電也樂意賣給我們,但是一個公司如果只是依賴購買別家的晶圓,那它的天才是什麼?
你自己對晶圓又有什麼貢獻?”
“NVIDIA的天才就是它的工程能力,”,黃仁勳表示,“重要的結果是性能、能效,而不
是面積大小。”
雖然使用了(面積)更大的架構,但是黃仁勳表示NVIDIA超人的工程使得圖靈超過了競品
,“(圖靈顯卡的)能效如此優秀,以致於比其他人的7nm顯卡還要好,成本更低、能耗
更低、性能更好,而且功能更多。”
圖靈GPU使用的是台積電的12nm FFN工藝,NVIDIA投入了大量時間及資金來與台積電設計
芯片架構以獲得他們想要的性能。(注:12nm FFN工藝中的N指的就是NVIDIA定制,這個
工藝說是雙方聯合定制研發的,不過相關細節一直沒有公佈。)
--
老黃:某家公司只能靠 7nm 縮小晶片尺寸和壓低功耗然後能效還輸給我們的 12nm
7nm ? 殺雞焉用牛刀www
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By Una
at 2020-06-20T15:04
at 2020-06-20T15:04

By Hamiltion
at 2020-06-21T08:05
at 2020-06-21T08:05
找錯對手。

By Frederic
at 2020-06-22T14:15
at 2020-06-22T14:15

By Selena
at 2020-06-26T08:26
at 2020-06-26T08:26

By Poppy
at 2020-06-28T20:57
at 2020-06-28T20:57
源不太可能會被GG綁標 畢竟是tier1設計公司 畢竟是
先進高階製程沒聯合一些fabless一起投入資源去創造
出經濟規模 要單獨走下去很難 畢竟代工廠 不是另外
兩家沒自己產品去消化產能 高階製程也不是小公司用
的起

By Carolina Franco
at 2020-06-29T04:17
at 2020-06-29T04:17
先進製程近乎壟斷性,客戶要排隊

By Hedy
at 2020-07-03T19:42
at 2020-07-03T19:42

By Aaliyah
at 2020-07-08T08:14
at 2020-07-08T08:14

By Madame
at 2020-07-09T12:50
at 2020-07-09T12:50

By Victoria
at 2020-07-10T07:03
at 2020-07-10T07:03

By Olga
at 2020-07-13T10:07
at 2020-07-13T10:07
只是老黃今天出來嘴炮這個 感覺只是不想去拚7nm

By Mia
at 2020-07-17T03:43
at 2020-07-17T03:43

By Yuri
at 2020-07-20T21:51
at 2020-07-20T21:51

By Edwina
at 2020-07-23T01:01
at 2020-07-23T01:01

By Margaret
at 2020-07-27T01:20
at 2020-07-27T01:20
性能功耗其實也不弱,改善不少了
但7nm未來進步空間更大

By Vanessa
at 2020-07-29T12:06
at 2020-07-29T12:06
只是潛力被挖盡,以後沒未來

By Charlotte
at 2020-07-30T13:15
at 2020-07-30T13:15

By Victoria
at 2020-07-30T16:22
at 2020-07-30T16:22

By Andy
at 2020-07-31T22:25
at 2020-07-31T22:25

By Jacky
at 2020-08-01T04:21
at 2020-08-01T04:21

By Kumar
at 2020-08-01T18:21
at 2020-08-01T18:21
?

By Hedda
at 2020-08-02T11:53
at 2020-08-02T11:53

By Ina
at 2020-08-05T15:44
at 2020-08-05T15:44

By Adele
at 2020-08-06T17:26
at 2020-08-06T17:26

By Sandy
at 2020-08-09T13:57
at 2020-08-09T13:57
或者說才能

By Erin
at 2020-08-10T14:18
at 2020-08-10T14:18
宜但是跟16nm成本應該還是有增加?

By Elizabeth
at 2020-08-13T02:35
at 2020-08-13T02:35

By Sandy
at 2020-08-17T10:40
at 2020-08-17T10:40

By Jacob
at 2020-08-21T08:31
at 2020-08-21T08:31

By Rosalind
at 2020-08-25T05:53
at 2020-08-25T05:53
X到是鬧了不少。

By Agnes
at 2020-08-27T11:40
at 2020-08-27T11:40

By Zenobia
at 2020-08-31T13:15
at 2020-08-31T13:15

By Jacob
at 2020-09-01T08:23
at 2020-09-01T08:23
講應該沒有在嫌多的,先進製程快要沒有公司用的起了

By Mia
at 2020-09-02T06:43
at 2020-09-02T06:43

By Frederica
at 2020-09-03T10:21
at 2020-09-03T10:21
能力跟成本控制可以取得平衡吧.. 雖然消費者總想著
要最厲害設計與最先進製程堆疊出來的產品然後在用最
低的售價賣出 但是現實就是企業的經營者要對董事會
跟股東負責 不然管你是否是公司創造者 還是會被趕下
台.. 看老是酸老黃刀法如外科手術班...但這也是他從
基層工程師一路做起來 跟那些從博士 畢業後研究員跳
管理階層 那種對技術規劃 可行性與成本控制 能力 跟
公司技術部門與能力培養 長遠規劃差太多了 只能說NV
在培養公司技術能力 不是在炒短線 通常炒短線公司
只會淪為 新人技術補習班或者短期訓練所 跟tier 1公
司 只會差距越來越遠 淪為別人反托拉斯分拆公司那道
保護牆罷了

By Emily
at 2020-09-04T01:05
at 2020-09-04T01:05
廠予取予求 完全沒議價空間的能力 那對成本控制與設
計能力 來說 真的蠻悲哀的

By Selena
at 2020-09-06T16:56
at 2020-09-06T16:56

By John
at 2020-09-07T07:19
at 2020-09-07T07:19

By Robert
at 2020-09-11T06:04
at 2020-09-11T06:04
中階都要1萬了...

By Quintina
at 2020-09-12T16:32
at 2020-09-12T16:32

By Blanche
at 2020-09-14T13:41
at 2020-09-14T13:41

By Hamiltion
at 2020-09-18T03:38
at 2020-09-18T03:38
家老闆 不會炒短線 去拼去胡亂拼製程 知道公司核心
價值是什 跟 會做好成本控制跟好好照顧員工 NV給員
工的package是非常大方 是科技大廠前幾名的好

By James
at 2020-09-19T04:11
at 2020-09-19T04:11
該上的時候就上 不需要硬著頭皮上
甚至還有閒情逸致跟***去瞎搞

By Oscar
at 2020-09-22T04:35
at 2020-09-22T04:35
斷讓公司隨著時代轉型進步的管理者 他接下來併購以
色列M公司 讓i 的SVP 對內封信要DCG員工 皮要蹦緊一
點 上次這樣已經是三星打通128層NAND的時候要 SSG皮
繃緊 但最後還是被在消費級完全打垮了QQ

By Irma
at 2020-09-23T09:12
at 2020-09-23T09:12

By Caroline
at 2020-09-27T17:30
at 2020-09-27T17:30
算吧 整個DCG 會整個Re-org 變成直接幫目前雲端客戶
訂製 有點像CCG做法 跟搞聯盟 就是為了抓緊客戶 但
是還是短期 長期還是會被瓜分掉不少吧 反正掉多少客
戶% 就砍多少%人

By Valerie
at 2020-09-30T02:08
at 2020-09-30T02:08

By Heather
at 2020-10-03T21:05
at 2020-10-03T21:05
人 裡面蠻變態的 哈哈

By Edith
at 2020-10-08T17:04
at 2020-10-08T17:04
做資料交換 他們不買根本切不進去 因為他們做的i也
在有再做 也是重點項目

By Hazel
at 2020-10-11T01:45
at 2020-10-11T01:45

By Enid
at 2020-10-13T01:39
at 2020-10-13T01:39

By Doris
at 2020-10-14T13:38
at 2020-10-14T13:38

By Gary
at 2020-10-15T03:04
at 2020-10-15T03:04

By Callum
at 2020-10-16T20:51
at 2020-10-16T20:51
麼大併購案 老黃一定有內部公開信 跟成了新的BU組織
衍伸出 大量新的內部職缺供內轉 大概就猜要幹嘛了
畢竟年底就要合併 現在內部不可能不開始調整

By Thomas
at 2020-10-17T12:53
at 2020-10-17T12:53

By Hedwig
at 2020-10-19T18:00
at 2020-10-19T18:00

By Skylar Davis
at 2020-10-23T17:51
at 2020-10-23T17:51

By Olivia
at 2020-10-28T06:40
at 2020-10-28T06:40

By Belly
at 2020-11-01T19:34
at 2020-11-01T19:34

By Andrew
at 2020-11-03T14:10
at 2020-11-03T14:10

By William
at 2020-11-07T05:44
at 2020-11-07T05:44
破花錢買用不太到的東西

By Mary
at 2020-11-08T04:36
at 2020-11-08T04:36

By Victoria
at 2020-11-12T18:46
at 2020-11-12T18:46
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