UV400用料的有趣搭配+選購看法碎碎念 - 3C

By Todd Johnson
at 2018-08-11T18:22
at 2018-08-11T18:22
Table of Contents
*先打預防針:這篇沒有要黑或是洗白某間廠商,後半段有和主題無關的個人看法
這邊提供算是幾個有趣的發現,這應該和台灣賣的UV400無關(也不討論金金計較事件)
簡單來說是UV400用料可能有些微的改變,但實際不明
前陣子有在中國的貼吧發現88SS1079主控的UV400(背後是寫中國專供)
雖然金士頓SSD的山寨貨一堆(台廠主控+垃圾顆粒的搭配)
不過Marvell主控算是山寨品中極少見的,所以假貨的可能性很低(幾乎零吧)
為什麼88SS1079特別?
因為看了下面那篇才發現原來有這個產品,連Google也僅有不到500篇的資料實在太稀有了
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/5815538310
避免原文的圖片刪掉,另外用庫存的方式將上面的頁面保留下來
http://archive.is/uR5ft
分析一下上面那篇用的料件,採用顆粒為Toshiba TH58TFG9T22BA4C
(前面TH58不看,照順序解讀)
T =Toggle
F =3.3V
G9=512Gb(48GB)
T =TLC
2 =解說內部尺寸
2 =解說內部製程(<==重點)
BA=BGA
4 =解說通道與CE的搭配
C =解說封裝尺寸
這個製程編號找不到任何市面上的產品有在用,故只能用推斷的
不過Toshiba編號是有用順序下去標的,例如2D NAND時的A19nm為K,再來15nm為L
到BiCs 3D NAND時似乎就將編號重置了,改由數字開始算
用第三代64L BiCs NAND來看是3
再更前面是還有第一和第二代的24L和48L(但沒看過實際產品)
這樣對的話2很有可能是指第二代的48L BiCs(不過UV400原始料件是Toshiba 15nm 2D TLC)
接著前陣子(三個月前)也有用戶寫信來問UV400是否有改版,並且提供了以下的連結
http://news.mydrivers.com/1/537/537697.htm
稍微看了一下發現到顆粒也是改為BGA封裝(原為TSOP),PCB長度也縮短很多
不過主控並非上面的88SS1079,依舊是原本的88SS1074
只可惜該評測沒提供顆粒照,有的話就能比對看看了
當時為了保險且同價位也有MX500之類的選擇,就先將UV400撤下了
1.沒辦法保證是否能繼續用pceva的耐久度驗證做證明
2.也許換成BiCs 3D NAND的耐久度會更高,但筆者不太想用不同測試品的結果去佐證
(也無法確定是否真的有換成BiCs)
3.也有可能只是單純改為高封裝密度的BGA顆粒,實際還是Toshiba 15nm 2D TLC
4.也沒辦法確定是不是中國特供品才有的現象(如上面那篇貼吧文)
=======
稍微碎碎念一下個人對選購和換料的看法:
推薦表格內會盡量將用料標出來的原因,在於因為筆者認為這樣才是透明和有信賴度的產品
打比方來說某些廠商可能因產能不足,或要繼續維持這產品線的名子
而必須悄悄做料件更換的情況
(像是V300當初賣三年還能買到和以前一樣的Toshiba 19nm MLC嗎?答案我想大家都知道惹)
在前面所講的"透明"是指要是廠商有 換料/偷料 的情況,至少有資料可以對出來
(有些廠商會在保固聲明寫上換料相關的免責聲明,
所以不會明寫像是"Micron原廠64L 3D TLC NAND",而是只有"3D TLC NAND")
故筆者基本都沒在推薦第三方封裝顆粒或料件比較雜的產品了
UV400可能會是唯一一款筆者推薦過的廠商自封顆粒產品,雖然是非主力推薦
( 依舊拿真香梗來挖苦一下自己: https://i.imgur.com/K6lvx2E.gifv )
和"透明"搭配的是"信賴度":
指的是筆者希望前面買的用戶和後面買的用戶用料是相同的,這也是針對廠商的信賴
不然至少有小改版時也不能烙賽(像是Ultra II那樣)
如果像是可以買到正片或白片這樣的抽抽樂
那寧可不會去推薦這樣的產品,亦即無法去信任這樣的廠商
也就造成挑選廠商和產品時才會如此嚴格(選購指南上根本僅有NAND大廠和Plextor而已)
這邊也提幾個選購指南有產品改版的例子:
=>Toshiba Q300 Pro由A19nm MLC轉為15nm MLC
性能無大幅影響,依舊是MLC NAND,因此無需恐慌
=>SanDisk SSD Plus改版爭議相當大,因為正是典型的換料後性能下降的例子
那時為了避免用戶買到TLC方案,有立刻將其撤下表格(當然還是有用戶去賭抽抽樂)
當時推SSD Plus是因為120/240GB的MLC+乞丐級SATA方案還算夠用
至少不用買試水溫的TLC SSD(也以為SanDisk會直接將SSD Plus給EOL,結果被打臉)
1.最初由SM2246XT+2D MLC NAND(主要15nm,有少數19nm款)
480GB則是88SS1074+2D 15nm TLC NAND,性能和Ultra II差不多
2.中期全改為SM2256S(DRAMless)+2D 15nm TLC NAND
3.最後的"進化版"則是幾乎是被中國戲稱"大號U盤"的方案了
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/5518281497?pid=117112463652&cid=0#117112463652
=>那為什麼筆者還是繼續推薦SanDisk的產品? 難道說是因為真香™?
因為它是顆粒廠,至少產品的透明度還是有的
頂多不去推薦SSD Plus,別將主流的產品也換到烙賽都好說
但改版不改名確實是欠罵
(奇妙的是SSD Plus換料事件就沒和V300一樣深植人心,已經是不同層次的烙賽了XD)
以上都是筆者的看法
不等於真理,如有雷同純屬巧合,有錯還請高人指正
也許有錯過好貨,但筆者真的不知道,所以才會如此嚴格挑選推薦的產品
--
姊姊 姊姊 我們好像變成簽名檔了
雷姆 雷姆 好像真的是這麼一回事呢
--
這邊提供算是幾個有趣的發現,這應該和台灣賣的UV400無關(也不討論金金計較事件)
簡單來說是UV400用料可能有些微的改變,但實際不明
前陣子有在中國的貼吧發現88SS1079主控的UV400(背後是寫中國專供)
雖然金士頓SSD的山寨貨一堆(台廠主控+垃圾顆粒的搭配)
不過Marvell主控算是山寨品中極少見的,所以假貨的可能性很低(幾乎零吧)
為什麼88SS1079特別?
因為看了下面那篇才發現原來有這個產品,連Google也僅有不到500篇的資料實在太稀有了
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/5815538310
避免原文的圖片刪掉,另外用庫存的方式將上面的頁面保留下來
http://archive.is/uR5ft
分析一下上面那篇用的料件,採用顆粒為Toshiba TH58TFG9T22BA4C
(前面TH58不看,照順序解讀)
T =Toggle
F =3.3V
G9=512Gb(48GB)
T =TLC
2 =解說內部尺寸
2 =解說內部製程(<==重點)
BA=BGA
4 =解說通道與CE的搭配
C =解說封裝尺寸
這個製程編號找不到任何市面上的產品有在用,故只能用推斷的
不過Toshiba編號是有用順序下去標的,例如2D NAND時的A19nm為K,再來15nm為L
到BiCs 3D NAND時似乎就將編號重置了,改由數字開始算
用第三代64L BiCs NAND來看是3
再更前面是還有第一和第二代的24L和48L(但沒看過實際產品)
這樣對的話2很有可能是指第二代的48L BiCs(不過UV400原始料件是Toshiba 15nm 2D TLC)
接著前陣子(三個月前)也有用戶寫信來問UV400是否有改版,並且提供了以下的連結
http://news.mydrivers.com/1/537/537697.htm
稍微看了一下發現到顆粒也是改為BGA封裝(原為TSOP),PCB長度也縮短很多
不過主控並非上面的88SS1079,依舊是原本的88SS1074
只可惜該評測沒提供顆粒照,有的話就能比對看看了
當時為了保險且同價位也有MX500之類的選擇,就先將UV400撤下了
1.沒辦法保證是否能繼續用pceva的耐久度驗證做證明
2.也許換成BiCs 3D NAND的耐久度會更高,但筆者不太想用不同測試品的結果去佐證
(也無法確定是否真的有換成BiCs)
3.也有可能只是單純改為高封裝密度的BGA顆粒,實際還是Toshiba 15nm 2D TLC
4.也沒辦法確定是不是中國特供品才有的現象(如上面那篇貼吧文)
=======
稍微碎碎念一下個人對選購和換料的看法:
推薦表格內會盡量將用料標出來的原因,在於因為筆者認為這樣才是透明和有信賴度的產品
打比方來說某些廠商可能因產能不足,或要繼續維持這產品線的名子
而必須悄悄做料件更換的情況
(像是V300當初賣三年還能買到和以前一樣的Toshiba 19nm MLC嗎?答案我想大家都知道惹)
在前面所講的"透明"是指要是廠商有 換料/偷料 的情況,至少有資料可以對出來
(有些廠商會在保固聲明寫上換料相關的免責聲明,
所以不會明寫像是"Micron原廠64L 3D TLC NAND",而是只有"3D TLC NAND")
故筆者基本都沒在推薦第三方封裝顆粒或料件比較雜的產品了
UV400可能會是唯一一款筆者推薦過的廠商自封顆粒產品,雖然是非主力推薦
( 依舊拿真香梗來挖苦一下自己: https://i.imgur.com/K6lvx2E.gifv )
和"透明"搭配的是"信賴度":
指的是筆者希望前面買的用戶和後面買的用戶用料是相同的,這也是針對廠商的信賴
不然至少有小改版時也不能烙賽(像是Ultra II那樣)
如果像是可以買到正片或白片這樣的抽抽樂
那寧可不會去推薦這樣的產品,亦即無法去信任這樣的廠商
也就造成挑選廠商和產品時才會如此嚴格(選購指南上根本僅有NAND大廠和Plextor而已)
這邊也提幾個選購指南有產品改版的例子:
=>Toshiba Q300 Pro由A19nm MLC轉為15nm MLC
性能無大幅影響,依舊是MLC NAND,因此無需恐慌
=>SanDisk SSD Plus改版爭議相當大,因為正是典型的換料後性能下降的例子
那時為了避免用戶買到TLC方案,有立刻將其撤下表格(當然還是有用戶去賭抽抽樂)
當時推SSD Plus是因為120/240GB的MLC+乞丐級SATA方案還算夠用
至少不用買試水溫的TLC SSD(也以為SanDisk會直接將SSD Plus給EOL,結果被打臉)
1.最初由SM2246XT+2D MLC NAND(主要15nm,有少數19nm款)
480GB則是88SS1074+2D 15nm TLC NAND,性能和Ultra II差不多
2.中期全改為SM2256S(DRAMless)+2D 15nm TLC NAND
3.最後的"進化版"則是幾乎是被中國戲稱"大號U盤"的方案了
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/5518281497?pid=117112463652&cid=0#117112463652
=>那為什麼筆者還是繼續推薦SanDisk的產品? 難道說是因為真香™?
因為它是顆粒廠,至少產品的透明度還是有的
頂多不去推薦SSD Plus,別將主流的產品也換到烙賽都好說
但改版不改名確實是欠罵
(奇妙的是SSD Plus換料事件就沒和V300一樣深植人心,已經是不同層次的烙賽了XD)
以上都是筆者的看法
不等於真理,如有雷同純屬巧合,有錯還請高人指正
也許有錯過好貨,但筆者真的不知道,所以才會如此嚴格挑選推薦的產品
--
姊姊 姊姊 我們好像變成簽名檔了
雷姆 雷姆 好像真的是這麼一回事呢
--
Tags:
3C
All Comments

By Vanessa
at 2018-08-16T12:18
at 2018-08-16T12:18

By Quanna
at 2018-08-21T06:11
at 2018-08-21T06:11

By Margaret
at 2018-08-21T09:18
at 2018-08-21T09:18

By Liam
at 2018-08-22T00:58
at 2018-08-22T00:58

By David
at 2018-08-25T02:43
at 2018-08-25T02:43

By Brianna
at 2018-08-26T19:41
at 2018-08-26T19:41

By Lily
at 2018-08-30T06:46
at 2018-08-30T06:46

By Ivy
at 2018-09-01T08:01
at 2018-09-01T08:01

By Jessica
at 2018-09-02T16:47
at 2018-09-02T16:47

By Margaret
at 2018-09-06T21:32
at 2018-09-06T21:32

By Daniel
at 2018-09-07T00:09
at 2018-09-07T00:09

By Bennie
at 2018-09-08T08:50
at 2018-09-08T08:50

By Kyle
at 2018-09-12T23:26
at 2018-09-12T23:26

By Olive
at 2018-09-17T20:06
at 2018-09-17T20:06

By Rachel
at 2018-09-22T18:31
at 2018-09-22T18:31

By Mary
at 2018-09-24T15:50
at 2018-09-24T15:50

By Victoria
at 2018-09-25T17:54
at 2018-09-25T17:54

By Victoria
at 2018-09-30T14:03
at 2018-09-30T14:03

By Zanna
at 2018-10-03T18:00
at 2018-10-03T18:00

By Oscar
at 2018-10-06T18:34
at 2018-10-06T18:34

By Kama
at 2018-10-07T20:18
at 2018-10-07T20:18

By Todd Johnson
at 2018-10-09T02:48
at 2018-10-09T02:48

By Caitlin
at 2018-10-11T02:27
at 2018-10-11T02:27

By Lydia
at 2018-10-13T00:03
at 2018-10-13T00:03

By Anonymous
at 2018-10-16T04:37
at 2018-10-16T04:37

By John
at 2018-10-20T15:44
at 2018-10-20T15:44

By Zenobia
at 2018-10-21T09:47
at 2018-10-21T09:47

By Ina
at 2018-10-22T08:59
at 2018-10-22T08:59

By Puput
at 2018-10-23T18:10
at 2018-10-23T18:10

By Harry
at 2018-10-28T15:19
at 2018-10-28T15:19

By Gary
at 2018-10-30T22:48
at 2018-10-30T22:48

By Kama
at 2018-11-02T22:31
at 2018-11-02T22:31

By Madame
at 2018-11-05T09:00
at 2018-11-05T09:00

By Olive
at 2018-11-09T23:41
at 2018-11-09T23:41

By Margaret
at 2018-11-12T12:57
at 2018-11-12T12:57

By Kelly
at 2018-11-16T22:29
at 2018-11-16T22:29

By Frederica
at 2018-11-21T22:19
at 2018-11-21T22:19

By George
at 2018-11-22T22:41
at 2018-11-22T22:41

By Zora
at 2018-11-26T19:45
at 2018-11-26T19:45

By Sierra Rose
at 2018-12-01T09:23
at 2018-12-01T09:23

By Leila
at 2018-12-03T14:34
at 2018-12-03T14:34

By Olive
at 2018-12-08T03:03
at 2018-12-08T03:03

By Anonymous
at 2018-12-10T09:16
at 2018-12-10T09:16

By Mary
at 2018-12-14T16:10
at 2018-12-14T16:10

By Ingrid
at 2018-12-16T05:37
at 2018-12-16T05:37

By Frederic
at 2018-12-18T23:47
at 2018-12-18T23:47

By Anthony
at 2018-12-22T04:22
at 2018-12-22T04:22

By Thomas
at 2018-12-26T11:13
at 2018-12-26T11:13

By Kyle
at 2018-12-29T12:44
at 2018-12-29T12:44

By Valerie
at 2019-01-02T14:46
at 2019-01-02T14:46

By Hazel
at 2019-01-07T12:43
at 2019-01-07T12:43

By Isabella
at 2019-01-10T03:20
at 2019-01-10T03:20

By Valerie
at 2019-01-10T15:16
at 2019-01-10T15:16

By Isabella
at 2019-01-15T05:41
at 2019-01-15T05:41

By Rae
at 2019-01-19T18:49
at 2019-01-19T18:49

By Caroline
at 2019-01-24T14:34
at 2019-01-24T14:34

By Ivy
at 2019-01-28T04:00
at 2019-01-28T04:00

By Suhail Hany
at 2019-01-31T11:38
at 2019-01-31T11:38
Related Posts
AMD Zen之父跳槽Intel:推進10nm工藝

By Joseph
at 2018-08-11T17:10
at 2018-08-11T17:10
60K AMD信仰機

By Audriana
at 2018-08-11T17:07
at 2018-08-11T17:07
34K 影音遊戲 含OS

By Rebecca
at 2018-08-11T16:20
at 2018-08-11T16:20
30k輕度遊戲剪輯機

By Hedy
at 2018-08-11T16:13
at 2018-08-11T16:13
轉自巴哈,Razer旗艦筆電偷工減料事件!

By Candice
at 2018-08-11T13:21
at 2018-08-11T13:21