ZEN 4c8t和競爭對手4c8t比較 from ISSCC - 3C

Belly avatar
By Belly
at 2017-02-07T15:06

Table of Contents

http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1331317&page_number=2

http://i.imgur.com/EezEyYF.png

沒有關於性能的情報

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Tags: 3C

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Belly avatar
By Belly
at 2017-02-09T21:47
228就知道誰沒穿褲子了
Skylar Davis avatar
By Skylar Davis
at 2017-02-12T11:34
原本的不夠打嗎?
Dora avatar
By Dora
at 2017-02-17T02:58
https://goo.gl/fNeUwq 褲子登記表
Skylar Davis avatar
By Skylar Davis
at 2017-02-18T23:45
這樣可以看出啥
Erin avatar
By Erin
at 2017-02-22T11:53
有什麼有趣的觀點嗎
八卦是對手有GPU?
面積只多5mm^2
Linda avatar
By Linda
at 2017-02-26T19:38
這當然是只有算core的面積阿= =
Jake avatar
By Jake
at 2017-03-02T03:57
amd哪時開始這摸care面積惹QQ
不過由此可見intel的肥大與腐敗QQ 真的是爽太久
Joe avatar
By Joe
at 2017-03-03T01:37
雖然說都是14nm amd應該說16nm比較恰當八
輸惹半node面積還比較小 真猛QQ
Sierra Rose avatar
By Sierra Rose
at 2017-03-05T18:28
GF 14nm 比intel 14nm還要小應該算是大新聞吧
Gilbert avatar
By Gilbert
at 2017-03-06T13:08
不算大新聞吧,架構還是有差
Jake avatar
By Jake
at 2017-03-10T13:42
光L3就贏3mm^2 應該是這葛切兩坨的L3獨到之處QQ
intel的L3設計是可以一直堆到十核共用
Caitlin avatar
By Caitlin
at 2017-03-14T02:24
對耶
L3面積比較小
Heather avatar
By Heather
at 2017-03-15T01:28
amd只能四核一坨 再用北橋通QQ
Susan avatar
By Susan
at 2017-03-17T23:38
Skylake的L3完全不知道在幹嘛,L2倒是蠻正常der
Sandy avatar
By Sandy
at 2017-03-18T08:28
不過intel的sram team大概要被夾覽趴惹
Yuri avatar
By Yuri
at 2017-03-21T10:58
是說四核才44mm^2 那8c的整顆晶片應該<150mm^2
amd賣一百塊大概也有賺惹
sram=cache
Sarah avatar
By Sarah
at 2017-03-23T03:50
SRAM那個看不懂
Rae avatar
By Rae
at 2017-03-25T18:15
8c賣100鎂也有賺?
Ida avatar
By Ida
at 2017-03-28T03:39
core的Cac比對手少15%,進步還蠻多的
Hamiltion avatar
By Hamiltion
at 2017-03-28T19:55
基本上cache都不太會是standard sram
Erin avatar
By Erin
at 2017-03-31T18:29
為什麼是INTEL要夾LP
Jake avatar
By Jake
at 2017-04-05T11:56
聽說Skylake的$為了AVX512全部都加倍惹,不過剛剛丟
cacti根本沒差這麼多
Ursula avatar
By Ursula
at 2017-04-06T19:31
感覺之前CPC說intel內部恐慌也許不是空穴來風了XD
Charlie avatar
By Charlie
at 2017-04-08T10:57
150mm^2成本不會到50鎂
Ursula avatar
By Ursula
at 2017-04-11T12:45
製程密度比較低 最後總面積還要比較小 那就是設計上
有所取捨吧
Hazel avatar
By Hazel
at 2017-04-15T10:08
zen pipeline深度好像比skl高一些
可能針對面積還頻率調整過
Hamiltion avatar
By Hamiltion
at 2017-04-17T11:20
這間接證明這幾年intel設計團隊過的多混
Una avatar
By Una
at 2017-04-17T12:25
intel也有可能手刻layout的部分比較多
手刻layout這種在開工的時候都是先喊先贏
Catherine avatar
By Catherine
at 2017-04-22T09:54
deep pipe = throughput取向 電路照理講要肥一點吧
Sierra Rose avatar
By Sierra Rose
at 2017-04-23T23:57
wide pipe才是throughput deep pipe是頻率
Elizabeth avatar
By Elizabeth
at 2017-04-28T08:35
不見得會比較大或比較小 有針對面積的最佳解
Dora avatar
By Dora
at 2017-04-30T18:08
不過製程密度低 最後面積還要小 那power/area一定
Una avatar
By Una
at 2017-05-03T03:43
說錯 應該說效能很難好吧
Iris avatar
By Iris
at 2017-05-05T03:58
我覺得90%的原因是intel太混惹QQ
Catherine avatar
By Catherine
at 2017-05-08T07:33
效能從目前透漏情報看起來沒有輸很多
Tristan Cohan avatar
By Tristan Cohan
at 2017-05-13T05:58
看起來只輸半個車身而已
Olga avatar
By Olga
at 2017-05-17T19:02
其實以其他公司的角度看 這兩間x86在面積上耍廢的
Cara avatar
By Cara
at 2017-05-22T03:51
程度 都 恩 很神奇惹
Dorothy avatar
By Dorothy
at 2017-05-22T12:40
希望可以漲到本來買馬三換C300
Wallis avatar
By Wallis
at 2017-05-27T11:02
所以intel在circuit level其實沒做得很好?
Lily avatar
By Lily
at 2017-05-27T17:24
我個人覺得這種想法有點違反常理QQ
Callum avatar
By Callum
at 2017-05-30T10:28
教主有掛嗎?其他家大型SRAM$我只知道Oracle,他們好
像也沒比較好啊@@
Valerie avatar
By Valerie
at 2017-06-02T12:55
pipe深不是比較不好overclocking(?)
Eden avatar
By Eden
at 2017-06-06T11:58
我記得pipe深比較容易拉高時脈吧
P4和推土機都是深pipe的架構
Thomas avatar
By Thomas
at 2017-06-07T21:34
throughput正比頻率吧 我講的是throughput vs delay
Ivy avatar
By Ivy
at 2017-06-09T00:32
deep pipe = 高頻率 = high throughput 但是latency
會上升
Necoo avatar
By Necoo
at 2017-06-11T09:45
more stall & mis-branch penalty
Thomas avatar
By Thomas
at 2017-06-16T00:09
AMD針腳還是在CPU上面嗎ˊ口ˋ
Erin avatar
By Erin
at 2017-06-17T14:49
這年頭一般很少再討論latency惹
Eden avatar
By Eden
at 2017-06-20T09:11
看AM4的板子就知道了
當然還是做在CPU上
Liam avatar
By Liam
at 2017-06-21T09:42
剛剛拿水果行那顆~3.8mm^2 L2試算一下確實是樂勝啊
Ethan avatar
By Ethan
at 2017-06-23T11:38
原來真的是兩家聯合耍廢lol
Quanna avatar
By Quanna
at 2017-06-25T07:46
Apple L2 多大阿@@?
Hamiltion avatar
By Hamiltion
at 2017-06-26T08:15
3M 32B/ck ~9ns 大小跟延遲都是拿Anandtech圖目測的
Gilbert avatar
By Gilbert
at 2017-06-30T19:02
32B是猜的,要餵兩顆核心4ck填條$line應該差不多
Hedwig avatar
By Hedwig
at 2017-06-30T20:56
AMD比較會塞電晶體不是新聞了吧?Core大小GPU也都比
Genevieve avatar
By Genevieve
at 2017-07-03T15:08
對手同級小?CPU我沒關注就是了
Cara avatar
By Cara
at 2017-07-04T18:55
AMD真強,假14nm die size還比較小
Olive avatar
By Olive
at 2017-07-05T00:09
只有150mm2,良率有八成以上,根本就就賺翻了
Dora avatar
By Dora
at 2017-07-08T21:13
gf 撐住
Andy avatar
By Andy
at 2017-07-13T04:46
最神奇的是假14die size少功率低 intel到底爽多久
Una avatar
By Una
at 2017-07-13T06:07
等月中以後開始偷跑 會越來越有趣
Mary avatar
By Mary
at 2017-07-16T07:55
上次偷跑一堆假資料 會超級無敵有趣的
Tom avatar
By Tom
at 2017-07-18T18:47
15號之後應該各種跑分滿天飛了吧XD
Rachel avatar
By Rachel
at 2017-07-21T22:41
包括之前那種假跑分嗎 XD
Skylar DavisLinda avatar
By Skylar DavisLinda
at 2017-07-24T19:23
真‧重返榮耀?!
Adele avatar
By Adele
at 2017-07-25T00:33
15 號開始滿天飛 我看是有難度
Selena avatar
By Selena
at 2017-07-28T04:01
搭配的散熱器有 幽靈跟 不是的
Franklin avatar
By Franklin
at 2017-07-28T16:07
之前爆料499的價格有包含幽靈散熱器嗎?
Noah avatar
By Noah
at 2017-07-29T18:26
intel連阻熱膏都敢放CPU裡,你看他多有自信
Emma avatar
By Emma
at 2017-07-30T11:05
499沒包說不過去吧!!
Skylar DavisLinda avatar
By Skylar DavisLinda
at 2017-08-03T15:55
為啥說不過去
David avatar
By David
at 2017-08-06T18:16
i7-6900K賣一千美金不也沒有
跟價格無關吧
Elizabeth avatar
By Elizabeth
at 2017-08-08T16:23
intel含K全都沒包。
Anthony avatar
By Anthony
at 2017-08-11T09:47
要包你就包
Bethany avatar
By Bethany
at 2017-08-16T05:32
AMD如果性能真的能跟6900k比,499不包幽靈很合理吧
Todd Johnson avatar
By Todd Johnson
at 2017-08-18T00:38
intel HEDT的CPU沒包散熱器也沒聽誰抱怨過
Ina avatar
By Ina
at 2017-08-18T09:59
而且玩家不都把原廠散熱器當垃圾嗎?沒包沒差吧
Todd Johnson avatar
By Todd Johnson
at 2017-08-23T05:26
沒道理一般版包幽靈,黑盒包一般散熱啊XDD
幽靈其實不錯啊
Jacky avatar
By Jacky
at 2017-08-26T12:27
頂階版沒包太摳門了
Poppy avatar
By Poppy
at 2017-08-28T23:39
為什麼AMD沒有就摳門?
Megan avatar
By Megan
at 2017-08-31T13:41
這樣的話 intel 這些年過太爽了
Yedda avatar
By Yedda
at 2017-09-01T13:07
K版都沒有就沒人罵摳門
摳門的標準?
因為AMD太爛了,不包摳門
Christine avatar
By Christine
at 2017-09-03T10:30
現在intel牌子要值多少了呢 1000鎂嗎
Rosalind avatar
By Rosalind
at 2017-09-05T17:00
intel有不摳? 神腦補耶
Sarah avatar
By Sarah
at 2017-09-06T18:55
買499的Ryzen應該都會自己買更好的散熱器吧
Hamiltion avatar
By Hamiltion
at 2017-09-10T23:58
499雖然只有6900k的一半,但也超過台幣15k
Hedwig avatar
By Hedwig
at 2017-09-14T09:29
願意花這個買U的,會只用原廠扇?
Isabella avatar
By Isabella
at 2017-09-17T00:39
所以你有罵過INTEL K版CPU沒散熱器很摳門嗎
Hardy avatar
By Hardy
at 2017-09-19T01:20
我只是好奇為啥AMD 499沒附散熱器就變成摳門 XD
Isabella avatar
By Isabella
at 2017-09-19T13:57
欸欸,怎麼為了一個散熱器吵起來了呢
John avatar
By John
at 2017-09-22T04:35
這麼重要啊XDDD
Adele avatar
By Adele
at 2017-09-24T20:06
我還好奇買AMD頂級CPU的人會用原廠散嗎
Candice avatar
By Candice
at 2017-09-29T01:34
電蝦版人人都買塔不是嗎
雖然我是用INTEL原廠散熱器 不入流QQ
Vanessa avatar
By Vanessa
at 2017-09-29T05:30
有 但是你沒看到直接斷定就是腦補
Jessica avatar
By Jessica
at 2017-10-03T04:43
好吧,我個人認為沒附散熱器完全不摳門
有499USD買CPU,但是沒錢買散熱器,幫QQ
Selena avatar
By Selena
at 2017-10-07T16:27
也不一定啊,說不定有人附幽靈他就這樣用連散熱器
都要A牌純正血統也不一定啊XDD
Joe avatar
By Joe
at 2017-10-10T11:45
頂階摳那一點東西 沒誠意
而且幽靈扇比intel那鳥東西好用多了
Jessica avatar
By Jessica
at 2017-10-10T23:05
沒誠意 XD XD XDD
Barb Cronin avatar
By Barb Cronin
at 2017-10-13T21:05
這麼比喻好了 手機沒附耳機?
Damian avatar
By Damian
at 2017-10-17T17:41
耳機我都丟掉,沒感覺
你應該用變壓器來比喻
Aaliyah avatar
By Aaliyah
at 2017-10-19T05:18
沒在用但是沒附上去感覺就不爽
充電器早期的iPod還真的沒有
Yedda avatar
By Yedda
at 2017-10-20T22:09
但是充電變壓器和散熱器是完全不同的東西
結論這是個人感覺吧 摳門的標準
Ivy avatar
By Ivy
at 2017-10-22T23:12
欸欸,怎麼越講越偏了呢
Iris avatar
By Iris
at 2017-10-27T03:58
我只買過iPod nano我記得有拉 其他我不知道
讓我想到N3DS也沒充電變壓器,這真的很摳門
另外買是什麼鬼
Yedda avatar
By Yedda
at 2017-10-27T15:21
我只是講那個等級附幽靈而已啊,大家怎麼都琢磨有沒
有附散熱器這回事啊XDDD
Callum avatar
By Callum
at 2017-11-01T13:01
所以你酸我沒說intel很有問題QQ
Enid avatar
By Enid
at 2017-11-02T22:50
我以為大家很習慣INTEL K沒有惹 買的人好像也沒叫
沒想到還是有人會在意
Charlotte avatar
By Charlotte
at 2017-11-03T16:40
nano2沒有
Ivy avatar
By Ivy
at 2017-11-03T19:33
沒給必要的配件,感覺是很奇怪拉
Rachel avatar
By Rachel
at 2017-11-05T07:31
如果真的最頂級那幾顆夠便宜 沒附就算了 有附當撿
Margaret avatar
By Margaret
at 2017-11-08T20:49
但幽靈散的等級真的和intel原廠沒辦法比
Regina avatar
By Regina
at 2017-11-13T13:09
什麼東西跟0比都是無限大倍的
Margaret avatar
By Margaret
at 2017-11-15T09:58
沒有也好,有也好啊,附幽靈也許未必夠,但是有誠意
Oscar avatar
By Oscar
at 2017-11-17T12:09
幽靈的效能大概比真魂90再強一點又安靜 真的不錯
Frederica avatar
By Frederica
at 2017-11-21T17:53
而且,ryzen的TDP不高,也超不會太大,也許壓的住XD
D
Sarah avatar
By Sarah
at 2017-11-21T22:50
幽靈散熱器真的很精緻... 我還去隔壁收了一顆
Hedda avatar
By Hedda
at 2017-11-22T13:58
幽靈是拿來壓125W的FX8350 假設Ryzen真的只有9X
的確是有一起附上的可能
Catherine avatar
By Catherine
at 2017-11-23T15:08
這對決是看AMD能否找回褲子吧,因為很久沒穿了
Ida avatar
By Ida
at 2017-11-28T00:55
ipod nano初代 只有本體/耳機/傳輸線/說明書
Oscar avatar
By Oscar
at 2017-12-02T22:25
這好像真的有點猛..
James avatar
By James
at 2017-12-03T16:18
教主今天負能量又要減少了QQ 盤前價破14塊了
Brianna avatar
By Brianna
at 2017-12-04T15:36
覺得會卡在MB阿...那個platform code是行還不行...
Susan avatar
By Susan
at 2017-12-08T03:17
光有CPU上不了路阿...
Selena avatar
By Selena
at 2017-12-11T00:04
覺得8C16T會被別人2C2T打爆 呵呵
Brianna avatar
By Brianna
at 2017-12-11T19:34
會涅槃嗎
Elizabeth avatar
By Elizabeth
at 2017-12-12T03:08
8C16T的顯示效能應該會被celeron打爆,在年底之前
Adele avatar
By Adele
at 2017-12-16T21:32
絕望的u大濕 科科
Lucy avatar
By Lucy
at 2017-12-21T11:26
9號換老黃的財報 不知道會不會也噴一段
Agnes avatar
By Agnes
at 2017-12-25T16:56
老黃一定會噴吧,Steam上10系列顯卡賣超級好
Dorothy avatar
By Dorothy
at 2017-12-29T14:48
Intel真的是吃老本
Adele avatar
By Adele
at 2017-12-30T08:20
老黃財報是星期四盤後發布嗎?
Olivia avatar
By Olivia
at 2017-12-31T09:17
2/9 After Market 預估/實際EPS:0.84/__
Iris avatar
By Iris
at 2018-01-02T18:50
16c32t的納普勒應該會被Pentium2星爆,呵呵
Todd Johnson avatar
By Todd Johnson
at 2018-01-04T08:29
intel爽太久。
Rosalind avatar
By Rosalind
at 2018-01-06T20:46
有人又從水晶球預知未來事了,都還沒出就可以知道被
奔騰2打倒,頗呵
Odelette avatar
By Odelette
at 2018-01-11T12:31
大濕又在秀下限 趕快去手術吧...

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at 2017-02-07T14:54
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at 2017-02-07T13:56
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