五六萬 HTPC - 3C
By Thomas
at 2016-03-25T11:24
at 2016-03-25T11:24
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※ 引述《yamatai (迴避性人格障礙症)》之銘言:
: 已買/未買/已付訂金(元):未買
: 預算/用途:拿來看電影,聽音樂
: 這台電腦是要拿來作影音用的,最近有人作出精簡板 Win10 可以放進 VHD
: 使用 RAM 來開機。如此一來 latency 會大幅下降,所以不管是畫面或者聲音
: 都會進步到一個非常誇張的境界
: CPU (中央處理器):i7 6770K
: MB (主機板):ROG Hero or Z170 pro gaming
: RAM (記憶體):還請板友推薦
: VGA (顯示卡):asus gtx 960 梟鷹
: HDD (硬碟):Intel 750 400G PCI Express SSD
: DVD-RW (燒錄機):這個還要作一下研究,哪一款聲音比較好
: PSU (電源供應器):Antec HCP 1300 X2
: CHASSIS (機殼):要可以裝雙電源進去的,還請板友推薦
: MONITOR (螢幕):應該會接電視
: Mouse/KB (鼠鍵):這個另外選就好 我不玩LOL所以比較不講究
: 總價 (未稅/含稅):應該五六萬
: 麻煩版友給我推薦一下 機殼 跟 RAM。或者顯示卡有更好的選擇也推薦一下
: 有朋友建議我等暑假下一代NVIDIA的Pascal 和AMD的Polaris的出來,那個真的會強很多媽?
我想問一個問題XD 這些東西搞下去你都聽過了嗎?
以前我也是各種搞無風扇大瓦數雙PSU
全機無震動或是搞MYAV CAT那一套
精簡版或專用BIOS那些哩哩摳摳的也都搞過
最初只是看到PC訊源主打便宜小改不用花大錢也能媲美HIEND
不知不覺這個初衷也忘了越花越多錢在HIEND PC上哈哈
一開始覺得超好聽超爽的
但最後我決定不要騙自己找幾組人盲測看看
1、愛玩音響的朋友
2、一般朋友
3、家人
結果是你不跟他們說這組花多少金錢心力之下盲測=似乎HIEND那組好一些
說了之後不同反應
1、HIEND那套PC超好聽超讚的
2、你瘋了花這麼多錢
3、靠夭死囝仔還不是都差不多
很多人會說給不懂音響的人聽不準,
因為他們沒辦法分辨音響性音樂性那些哩哩摳摳的
(簡稱音響二十要XD第一要錢第二要錢...........)
但我覺得這才有問題
給家人聽才是最準的,他們說好聽才是真好聽
包括我經常在搞這些音響的其實很容易受到各種因素影響
因為已經被器材內化太久了,除非盲測
當然有高手金耳已經訓練到可以排除這些因素
通常怎麼分辨高手呢
聽一首歌結束才說感想的就不是高手
聽10秒就能分辨哪裡出問題的是高手
講了這麼多廢話,版眾一定覺得這跟電蝦無關XD
下面開始講跟電蝦X音響有關的
PC訊源要好聽感覺很玄,畢竟你把數位訊號給DAC"理論上"不會有任何差別
所以基於這種理論上的例外,letency、jitter之類
才會衍生出各種流派:myav派、ptt派、線性電供派 隨你怎麼分拉XD
我看完各家理論後,覺得既然主機板差很多那我就把所有主機板拿來測一遍
但我哪有那個時間和財力
剛好我住南投家附近有個神經病(這是讚揚)高手老先生
從三代到現在六代的所有主機板都買回來聽
直接告訴你結論
技嘉G1. SNIPER H6這張最好聽 CPU配I5 4460
顯卡CPU他也全部都買來聽過一遍
但差別不大最後他用280X
我拿我精心調配的雙電供主機被他那台慘電
老實說我既感到失落又感到興奮
另外有個超恐怖的事實
他的電腦是放在10公尺遠的工作室用WIFI傳輸到DAC
我的是直接用高級數位線材連接DAC
有線被無線海放,好玩吧
作業系統也就很平凡沒精簡過的WIN7屌打我精心調配特製BIOS+精簡WIN10
所以他把他能買到的G1.SNIPER H6都買起來了
(老先生很怕壞掉,買了快十張備用)
當然他有自己調教的方式
比如說自己做線、一部分線性電供、一部分用一般PSU之類
還有改HDD的主控線路等等
總之是他自己用"耳朵"去摸索出來的
我想說的既不是G1.SNIPER H6這張主板也不是哪一牌的280X
而是與其聽到人家說怎麼樣改會改善很多
如果你的耳朵夠強,用耳朵去證實才是最實際的
然後不要騙自己,要盲測
順帶一提,線性電供供應電腦對動態之類的我覺得沒差太多
除非直接用電腦做DA直接出類比訊號
但通常玩到這樣會有一台不錯的DAC吧?
還有近年來DAC的數位部分都做得非常棒
但是類比的部分都挺糟糕的
會不會改DAC的類比端和電源端還是挺重要的
當然擴大機就是另一回事拉
現在我給他改過我的DAC類比端
然後主機給他小改一些地方
我的配備是
I7 6700K
MAXIMUS VIII IMPACT
KINGSTON DDR4 2133 黑散熱版
ASUS GTX970短
SEASONIC P-520
PC-Q33銀透測
感覺跟HIEND PC的關聯非常MAKE NO SENCE對吧
對 因為 電腦 就是用來多工處理的
一台電腦搞雙PSU超大一台還降效能連好好打電動都不行
花電動機三倍的價格搞到只能聽音樂
結果不花錢給人小改DAC效果遠遠超過
還可以在客廳40吋螢幕打電動
超爽DER
另外你有提到一點很多人都忽略的
光碟機!
光碟機學問就非常大了!
這位老先生是神經病
把古今中外的光碟機都拿來玩過了
因為他不只要撥放還要做錄音母帶CD製作
直接說結論
如果你找得到的話
聲音最好的光碟機是
PIONEER DVR-212
如果 你找得到的話XD
(老先生家裡有從大陸整倉庫收購200多台)
聽到這裡有沒有覺得玩音響的都有病了阿哈哈
--
: 已買/未買/已付訂金(元):未買
: 預算/用途:拿來看電影,聽音樂
: 這台電腦是要拿來作影音用的,最近有人作出精簡板 Win10 可以放進 VHD
: 使用 RAM 來開機。如此一來 latency 會大幅下降,所以不管是畫面或者聲音
: 都會進步到一個非常誇張的境界
: CPU (中央處理器):i7 6770K
: MB (主機板):ROG Hero or Z170 pro gaming
: RAM (記憶體):還請板友推薦
: VGA (顯示卡):asus gtx 960 梟鷹
: HDD (硬碟):Intel 750 400G PCI Express SSD
: DVD-RW (燒錄機):這個還要作一下研究,哪一款聲音比較好
: PSU (電源供應器):Antec HCP 1300 X2
: CHASSIS (機殼):要可以裝雙電源進去的,還請板友推薦
: MONITOR (螢幕):應該會接電視
: Mouse/KB (鼠鍵):這個另外選就好 我不玩LOL所以比較不講究
: 總價 (未稅/含稅):應該五六萬
: 麻煩版友給我推薦一下 機殼 跟 RAM。或者顯示卡有更好的選擇也推薦一下
: 有朋友建議我等暑假下一代NVIDIA的Pascal 和AMD的Polaris的出來,那個真的會強很多媽?
我想問一個問題XD 這些東西搞下去你都聽過了嗎?
以前我也是各種搞無風扇大瓦數雙PSU
全機無震動或是搞MYAV CAT那一套
精簡版或專用BIOS那些哩哩摳摳的也都搞過
最初只是看到PC訊源主打便宜小改不用花大錢也能媲美HIEND
不知不覺這個初衷也忘了越花越多錢在HIEND PC上哈哈
一開始覺得超好聽超爽的
但最後我決定不要騙自己找幾組人盲測看看
1、愛玩音響的朋友
2、一般朋友
3、家人
結果是你不跟他們說這組花多少金錢心力之下盲測=似乎HIEND那組好一些
說了之後不同反應
1、HIEND那套PC超好聽超讚的
2、你瘋了花這麼多錢
3、靠夭死囝仔還不是都差不多
很多人會說給不懂音響的人聽不準,
因為他們沒辦法分辨音響性音樂性那些哩哩摳摳的
(簡稱音響二十要XD第一要錢第二要錢...........)
但我覺得這才有問題
給家人聽才是最準的,他們說好聽才是真好聽
包括我經常在搞這些音響的其實很容易受到各種因素影響
因為已經被器材內化太久了,除非盲測
當然有高手金耳已經訓練到可以排除這些因素
通常怎麼分辨高手呢
聽一首歌結束才說感想的就不是高手
聽10秒就能分辨哪裡出問題的是高手
講了這麼多廢話,版眾一定覺得這跟電蝦無關XD
下面開始講跟電蝦X音響有關的
PC訊源要好聽感覺很玄,畢竟你把數位訊號給DAC"理論上"不會有任何差別
所以基於這種理論上的例外,letency、jitter之類
才會衍生出各種流派:myav派、ptt派、線性電供派 隨你怎麼分拉XD
我看完各家理論後,覺得既然主機板差很多那我就把所有主機板拿來測一遍
但我哪有那個時間和財力
剛好我住南投家附近有個神經病(這是讚揚)高手老先生
從三代到現在六代的所有主機板都買回來聽
直接告訴你結論
技嘉G1. SNIPER H6這張最好聽 CPU配I5 4460
顯卡CPU他也全部都買來聽過一遍
但差別不大最後他用280X
我拿我精心調配的雙電供主機被他那台慘電
老實說我既感到失落又感到興奮
另外有個超恐怖的事實
他的電腦是放在10公尺遠的工作室用WIFI傳輸到DAC
我的是直接用高級數位線材連接DAC
有線被無線海放,好玩吧
作業系統也就很平凡沒精簡過的WIN7屌打我精心調配特製BIOS+精簡WIN10
所以他把他能買到的G1.SNIPER H6都買起來了
(老先生很怕壞掉,買了快十張備用)
當然他有自己調教的方式
比如說自己做線、一部分線性電供、一部分用一般PSU之類
還有改HDD的主控線路等等
總之是他自己用"耳朵"去摸索出來的
我想說的既不是G1.SNIPER H6這張主板也不是哪一牌的280X
而是與其聽到人家說怎麼樣改會改善很多
如果你的耳朵夠強,用耳朵去證實才是最實際的
然後不要騙自己,要盲測
順帶一提,線性電供供應電腦對動態之類的我覺得沒差太多
除非直接用電腦做DA直接出類比訊號
但通常玩到這樣會有一台不錯的DAC吧?
還有近年來DAC的數位部分都做得非常棒
但是類比的部分都挺糟糕的
會不會改DAC的類比端和電源端還是挺重要的
當然擴大機就是另一回事拉
現在我給他改過我的DAC類比端
然後主機給他小改一些地方
我的配備是
I7 6700K
MAXIMUS VIII IMPACT
KINGSTON DDR4 2133 黑散熱版
ASUS GTX970短
SEASONIC P-520
PC-Q33銀透測
感覺跟HIEND PC的關聯非常MAKE NO SENCE對吧
對 因為 電腦 就是用來多工處理的
一台電腦搞雙PSU超大一台還降效能連好好打電動都不行
花電動機三倍的價格搞到只能聽音樂
結果不花錢給人小改DAC效果遠遠超過
還可以在客廳40吋螢幕打電動
超爽DER
另外你有提到一點很多人都忽略的
光碟機!
光碟機學問就非常大了!
這位老先生是神經病
把古今中外的光碟機都拿來玩過了
因為他不只要撥放還要做錄音母帶CD製作
直接說結論
如果你找得到的話
聲音最好的光碟機是
PIONEER DVR-212
如果 你找得到的話XD
(老先生家裡有從大陸整倉庫收購200多台)
聽到這裡有沒有覺得玩音響的都有病了阿哈哈
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