現在的旗艦機照相水準和相機差距? - 手機討論

By Joseph
at 2019-03-01T04:23
at 2019-03-01T04:23
Table of Contents
http://chdolodocha.pixnet.net/blog/post/32724655 網誌好讀版
比較圖建議要用電腦看才明顯~
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https://pic.pimg.tw/chdolodocha/1551380179-1846798295_l.jpg
睡不著回個舊文T.T
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首先大家對相機定義就不同了~
有些人拿apsc甚至全幅機來比較絕對是太過頭了~
(你居然好意思…)
我個人覺得合理的定義是以感光元件區分啦~
手機能跟一吋感光元件匹敵已經算是贏了~
https://pic.pimg.tw/chdolodocha/1551381050-2135784339.png
以pixel2 XL來說,大概就是最小的綠框,
rx100V就是外面的綠框~
數位相機派的基本上就是以感光元件來說話,一吋大一吋強~
然後說相機可以變焦、有淺景深、...
理論上並沒有錯,但是這也只是立論點的差別~
當你拿DC的優勢去比較手機,當然明顯手機輸慘了(甚至是參賽權都沒有)
但同樣我也可以拿手機的優勢去跟DC比
(我拿手機也可以拍出很多rx100拍不出來的畫面)
DC也會有明顯輸慘的情況~
(ex:同體積(光這就不可能)下最大光圈或是低光源下要深景深、
近距離拍食物要都清楚...)
事實上所有事物優缺點都是並存的,要全盤都說手機輸完全是不客觀的說法~
重點是你知道你的拍攝需求,然後選適合器材~
而且手機快速發展下,有各種增進畫質的技術~
DC隨手拍幾乎沒有優勢~
下面是普通低光隨手拍範例(剛剛回家路上隨手拍的)
rx100v就開光圈先決最大光圈,iso自動
手機全自動,手動選擇HDR+模式及NS
以RAW格式拍攝,回來說LR調至相近亮度及盡量壓抑高光,拉亮一點暗部~
去雜訊只有去彩色雜訊15~
https://pic.pimg.tw/chdolodocha/1551380279-293724169_l.jpg
第一張RX100V
https://pic.pimg.tw/chdolodocha/1551380211-1835107412_l.jpg
HDR+
比較圖,左邊RX100V 右邊HDR+
畫素不同,方便比較有一定程度放大~
https://pic.pimg.tw/chdolodocha/1551380290-1128818361_l.png
https://pic.pimg.tw/chdolodocha/1551380302-2781021240_l.png
https://pic.pimg.tw/chdolodocha/1551380282-1608682384_l.png
https://pic.pimg.tw/chdolodocha/1551380300-3545164570_l.png
https://pic.pimg.tw/chdolodocha/1551380319-2744337662_l.png
以這張來說,高光rx100不如HDR+
暗部細節應該是有好一點點,但需要仔細降噪
但中間調到亮部都是HDR+要好~
第二個景
https://pic.pimg.tw/chdolodocha/1551380258-1500533316_l.jpg
RX100V
https://pic.pimg.tw/chdolodocha/1551380227-1091345152_l.jpg
HDR+
比較圖,左邊RX100V 右邊HDR+
https://pic.pimg.tw/chdolodocha/1551380223-1775699495_l.png
https://pic.pimg.tw/chdolodocha/1551380243-2890582341_l.png
https://pic.pimg.tw/chdolodocha/1551380235-1396922095_l.png
https://pic.pimg.tw/chdolodocha/1551380254-3456695115_l.png
https://pic.pimg.tw/chdolodocha/1551380260-4055415212_l.png
https://pic.pimg.tw/chdolodocha/1551380264-1201917392_l.png
這個景比較亮一點,pixel2居然選用iso50
基本上2者畫質有9成5接近了吧~!!
而帳面上手機快門比較慢,但rx100有防手震還是有些地方晃到了~
Pixel2用更先進的方法偵測手震,使得其可以用更低ISO快門達到更好的穩定度
再用多幀合成技術提高訊噪比~
這是只用感光元件大小比較的人所看不到的~
無腦說小DC(甚至還說幾年前的DC)還是贏手機的我只能說你資訊要更新…
再來一個比較~
上面還是以會修RAW檔的人來拍~
下面以直出JPEG比較~
為求最佳畫質,RX100使用多框雜訊消除模式,疊圖選高~
Pixel2 XL使用NightSight模式~
https://pic.pimg.tw/chdolodocha/1551380390-118920450_l.jpg
RX100V直出
https://pic.pimg.tw/chdolodocha/1551380355-147519621_l.jpg
NS
這邊光是縮圖就可以直觀看出動態範圍rx100被慘電了吧!
而且整體亮度NS也是高一點~
jpeg過曝是救不回來的,再來看看寬容度,把上面2張暗部強制拉亮~
https://pic.pimg.tw/chdolodocha/1551380373-3051087366_l.jpg
RX100v
https://pic.pimg.tw/chdolodocha/1551380354-2842861318_l.jpg
pixel2 XL
以下比較~
https://pic.pimg.tw/chdolodocha/1551380373-2670654183_l.png
https://pic.pimg.tw/chdolodocha/1551380408-3526828007_l.png
https://pic.pimg.tw/chdolodocha/1551380410-1197532510_l.png
https://pic.pimg.tw/chdolodocha/1551380409-3301599817_l.png
結果大家心裡有數囉~
我不是要說rx100畫質比pixel2差
如果你想要以畫質為前提,張張上腳架並包圍曝光回家仔細後製rx100的確會贏很多~
但在特定隨手拍的情況下,以現在手機的水準絕對可以一拼、甚至超越~
對一般人來說更是如此~
--
blog http://chdolodocha.pixnet.net/blog
IG https://www.instagram.com/fionlovechi/
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比較圖建議要用電腦看才明顯~
==
https://pic.pimg.tw/chdolodocha/1551380179-1846798295_l.jpg

睡不著回個舊文T.T
===
首先大家對相機定義就不同了~
有些人拿apsc甚至全幅機來比較絕對是太過頭了~
(你居然好意思…)
我個人覺得合理的定義是以感光元件區分啦~
手機能跟一吋感光元件匹敵已經算是贏了~
https://pic.pimg.tw/chdolodocha/1551381050-2135784339.png

rx100V就是外面的綠框~
數位相機派的基本上就是以感光元件來說話,一吋大一吋強~
然後說相機可以變焦、有淺景深、...
理論上並沒有錯,但是這也只是立論點的差別~
當你拿DC的優勢去比較手機,當然明顯手機輸慘了(甚至是參賽權都沒有)
但同樣我也可以拿手機的優勢去跟DC比
(我拿手機也可以拍出很多rx100拍不出來的畫面)
DC也會有明顯輸慘的情況~
(ex:同體積(光這就不可能)下最大光圈或是低光源下要深景深、
近距離拍食物要都清楚...)
事實上所有事物優缺點都是並存的,要全盤都說手機輸完全是不客觀的說法~
重點是你知道你的拍攝需求,然後選適合器材~
而且手機快速發展下,有各種增進畫質的技術~
DC隨手拍幾乎沒有優勢~
下面是普通低光隨手拍範例(剛剛回家路上隨手拍的)
rx100v就開光圈先決最大光圈,iso自動
手機全自動,手動選擇HDR+模式及NS
以RAW格式拍攝,回來說LR調至相近亮度及盡量壓抑高光,拉亮一點暗部~
去雜訊只有去彩色雜訊15~
https://pic.pimg.tw/chdolodocha/1551380279-293724169_l.jpg

https://pic.pimg.tw/chdolodocha/1551380211-1835107412_l.jpg

比較圖,左邊RX100V 右邊HDR+
畫素不同,方便比較有一定程度放大~
https://pic.pimg.tw/chdolodocha/1551380290-1128818361_l.png





暗部細節應該是有好一點點,但需要仔細降噪
但中間調到亮部都是HDR+要好~
第二個景
https://pic.pimg.tw/chdolodocha/1551380258-1500533316_l.jpg

https://pic.pimg.tw/chdolodocha/1551380227-1091345152_l.jpg

比較圖,左邊RX100V 右邊HDR+
https://pic.pimg.tw/chdolodocha/1551380223-1775699495_l.png






這個景比較亮一點,pixel2居然選用iso50
基本上2者畫質有9成5接近了吧~!!
而帳面上手機快門比較慢,但rx100有防手震還是有些地方晃到了~
Pixel2用更先進的方法偵測手震,使得其可以用更低ISO快門達到更好的穩定度
再用多幀合成技術提高訊噪比~
這是只用感光元件大小比較的人所看不到的~
無腦說小DC(甚至還說幾年前的DC)還是贏手機的我只能說你資訊要更新…
再來一個比較~
上面還是以會修RAW檔的人來拍~
下面以直出JPEG比較~
為求最佳畫質,RX100使用多框雜訊消除模式,疊圖選高~
Pixel2 XL使用NightSight模式~
https://pic.pimg.tw/chdolodocha/1551380390-118920450_l.jpg

https://pic.pimg.tw/chdolodocha/1551380355-147519621_l.jpg

這邊光是縮圖就可以直觀看出動態範圍rx100被慘電了吧!
而且整體亮度NS也是高一點~
jpeg過曝是救不回來的,再來看看寬容度,把上面2張暗部強制拉亮~
https://pic.pimg.tw/chdolodocha/1551380373-3051087366_l.jpg

https://pic.pimg.tw/chdolodocha/1551380354-2842861318_l.jpg

以下比較~
https://pic.pimg.tw/chdolodocha/1551380373-2670654183_l.png




結果大家心裡有數囉~
我不是要說rx100畫質比pixel2差
如果你想要以畫質為前提,張張上腳架並包圍曝光回家仔細後製rx100的確會贏很多~
但在特定隨手拍的情況下,以現在手機的水準絕對可以一拼、甚至超越~
對一般人來說更是如此~
--
blog http://chdolodocha.pixnet.net/blog
IG https://www.instagram.com/fionlovechi/
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