長江存儲宣布2019 年將量產64 層堆疊NAND - 3C

By Selena
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Table of Contents
推 WARgame723 : 這顆ssd會回傳使用者資料嗎?
推 Bob9154 : 自動雲端備份
推 ltyintw : 如果他64層裡面有16層是用純硬體佈線來實做資料回傳ip的話,可以
如果這些言論是在FB之類的網路上出現很正常,但如果是電蝦版出現,那我覺得有些事
情該好好解釋一下才行。
來談談硬體跟ic的設計吧...
事實是,在超大型積體電路上的設計不是這麼簡單,也絕對不是短短兩三年就能研發出
一個穩定且不耗電的IC電路。
會這麼說是因為目前現存的主流晶片,幾乎都是超過十年以上的公司或團隊(這個很重
要)在設計、開發的,
在現在的市場環境,對很多性能上的問題是相當挑剔的,耗電量之外,發熱、延遲、負
載等都要考慮進去,才會是一個好產品。
如果一個手機加了一個會自動上傳資料的網路晶片(華為就是最常被嘴的),你可以想
像一下它的耗電量會變得多驚人,更不用說它吃得網路有多可怕,這種又熱又耗電,又
吃掉你一堆網路流量的東西你會用嗎?
這種你根本不會用得的東西,他幹嘛賣,想想就知道了。
說完手機來說SSD
一樣的道理,消費者是非常挑剔的,
每顆SSD都有他的讀寫次數,先不談不合邏輯的原理(晚點再說原因),增加一個網路晶
片要減少的壽命,連二手SSD壽命都不到的全新64層SSD,你會想買嗎?
講完壽命再來講原理
電腦的分工現在非常細了,每個事情只要夠大夠重要,
要求效率跟延遲的性能越高的東西,基本上都會有獨立的晶片在處理。
電腦中常見的網路卡有螃蟹卡、Intel晶片跟killer晶片等等幾種,
各位如果有興趣,可以看一下這些晶片做得多大顆,
再來想像一下塞在SSD裡面多複雜,
這種線路你請任何人來設計都不會有人想做的。
再來說到更實際的面向,
真正硬體實作網路封包傳輸的電路,都是旁邊直接做接頭連接RJ45接頭,或是光纖之類
的輸出入孔的,
因此,可以做到能在SSD裡面直接穿過主機板、穿過網路晶片,直接靠RJ45傳資料的晶片
根本不存在,
有也是SSD本來就直接督RJ45下去才對(幹話)
細節我就不講了,網路概論什麼握手原則這個有空可以去看一下...至少知道一下傳封包
的前提是什麼再說。
每個網路傳輸都有它的機制,向前面這個就是其中一種方式:
#1SjAY3AD (PC_Shopping)
無線有無線的,有線有有線的方式
講完消費者層面跟實際應用層面,再來就是合理層面了:
如果說我今天開發了一個能自動備份資料到網路的SSD,但是發現傳來的不是遊戲檔案,
就是A片A漫,試問,這種問題怎麼處理?
我的伺服器跟人力沒有能力處理這些垃圾呀.....
不相信的人我舉個例子好啦:
http://tinyurl.com/y4dup9hf
美國在賓拉登那邊發現一堆A片,為了怕他用A片藏什麼資料,或是在放A片的旁邊有什麼
重要資料,特別組了一個小組去看A片,
試問,我們平民何德何能可以讓阿共仔特別組人看我看了什麼A片?
最後最後我要講認真的
真正重要的資料都存在封閉式網路,
你只能用telnet之類的去跟它聯繫,這種給的權限一般都是資料只進不出或是根本不准
進出的.......
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不會做在麒麟SoC裡面

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當然,也很容易被抓到就是

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制用的單元,然後放病毒進去裝driver控制吧

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整天只會仇恨,智商低成這樣

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可以去查查國際銀行一堆被滲透很多對內都是vpn

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By Puput
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套句以前教授講的,資訊時代沒有祕密,只有想和不想

By Todd Johnson
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By Hazel
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,中國後面有經過你同意?

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By Isabella
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別覺得不可能, 你50年前會知道現在有智慧型手機嗎

By Rosalind
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瀏覽記錄全都流到統戰部對共產黨幫助超大的

By Mia
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懷疑啦

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可能透過網路傳送資料到特定地點嗎?

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By Rebecca
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現在就算裝Windows防火牆預設都是開啟的吧

By Vanessa
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就接上>SSD複製木馬進電腦

By Quanna
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但是直接丟東西到第三方這個有點難想像

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By Audriana
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不然就是先複製到SSD儲存空間再想辦法感染

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By Caitlin
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網通設備的話還比較容易理解
因為這個韌體很容易可以留後門

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不太可能幾千個用戶一個人的防火牆都沒擋到過

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灣國軍假想敵是美軍嗎?

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回傳了

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插拔來觸發autorun,你以為檔案隨便放就能自動跑?

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簡單的

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現代戰爭關鍵就前幾天而已

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實際也被破了,國家級要搞事,資源無上限

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他更有可能被惡意程式入侵是有可能的八?像是intel
的cpu漏洞那樣

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料,應該是要使用者用自己的基地台,發展自己的通訊
協定,然後從網路底層去收發資料,用現有的網路通訊
協定,敏感資料沒辦法不經使用者同意去傳,弄到最後
,用病毒攻擊還是最符合成本效益的,最有可能還是在
韌體藏毒,但是很容易被抓出來分析就爆了。

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傳就好

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By Jack
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你跟中國政府拿多少錢?整天只會扯美國怎樣怎樣
中國這種東西和美國對台灣的威脅能比嗎

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By Oliver
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開後門都有新聞了。要嗆人之前先搞懂什麼叫宗教

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By Franklin
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純硬體搞個回傳不被發現確實很難,但軟韌體相比之下
簡單太多

By Liam
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By Franklin
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司弄的 然後你跟我談權限?

By Edwina
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後者才是有可能造成大規模混亂的原因 這類說法在一
堆白皮書上都有

By Anonymous
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By Frederica
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果只是要讓你在資料處理上出現常見的.無傷大雅的一
堆小紕漏呢?

By Isabella
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By David
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By Franklin
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了 就是讓全世界為中國的實力而瘋狂 中國世界第一!

By Barb Cronin
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程式篩的

By Valerie
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進去,不然就是逼廠商開後門

By Wallis
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出訊息的

By Andrew
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很類似

By Daniel
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幹話

By Thomas
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By Christine
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手機方面就比較好笑了,如果華為搞出一個Huawei™
Manager Engine封裝在SoC裡我保證再也不用華為

By Faithe
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體之下,軟韌體的回傳較硬體容易得多

By Agatha
at 2020-05-05T17:15
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只要高階語言寫得出來,韌體一定做得到,不然程式怎
麼動的?
在韌體層寫的入功能,高階語言的軟體還不一定查得到

By Doris
at 2020-05-07T02:55
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大的影片幹嘛?

By Andy
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By Cara
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By Sierra Rose
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的硬體或是軟體可以去抓這部分原本無法存取的資料

By Ingrid
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By Olive
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By Odelette
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但用C語言寫個8051讀FAT格式,應該是不少資工人寫過
的專題

By Catherine
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By Regina
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By Cara
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By Tom
at 2020-06-02T06:59
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我知道回傳價值資料的功能有可能存在,
我還是有用小米手機,
只是一種生活中的賭博,
跟車禍一樣,每幾分鐘就有車禍發生
但我還是會開車上路,
只是賭自己不會那麼衰而已
所以勸各位不要因噎廢食

By Tom
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的關係

By Robert
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By Anthony
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By Barb Cronin
at 2020-06-14T04:35
at 2020-06-14T04:35
NTFS,exfat只是連續上有點差異,一樣很好理解

By Ina
at 2020-06-17T03:10
at 2020-06-17T03:10
我不知道在你的OS跟DOS為什麼要分開打?

By David
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By Lauren
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By Heather
at 2020-06-21T06:06
at 2020-06-21T06:06
大部分人做不出好看的蛋包飯

By Carol
at 2020-06-25T12:46
at 2020-06-25T12:46

By Yuri
at 2020-06-25T17:14
at 2020-06-25T17:14
原始DOS系統?MS-DOS?
一般我們是會稱呼純文字介面為dos介面,或更簡稱dos

By Gilbert
at 2020-06-27T00:19
at 2020-06-27T00:19

By Tom
at 2020-06-30T19:52
at 2020-06-30T19:52

By Tracy
at 2020-07-03T04:41
at 2020-07-03T04:41

By Ursula
at 2020-07-05T01:38
at 2020-07-05T01:38

By Ursula
at 2020-07-07T20:43
at 2020-07-07T20:43
位元為單位的亂碼(不過win7的bitlocker早就被破解了
)

By Hardy
at 2020-07-08T17:36
at 2020-07-08T17:36
東西

By Elvira
at 2020-07-13T05:59
at 2020-07-13T05:59
早就被解開了,不然OSX上的掛載怎麼來的?

By Gilbert
at 2020-07-16T18:16
at 2020-07-16T18:16
不是「我」這個人做不做得到,
又不是要市面上所有產品都能破解才是成功的,能破解
個5%比率也是有破解

By Elizabeth
at 2020-07-17T15:59
at 2020-07-17T15:59
?

By Tristan Cohan
at 2020-07-22T09:39
at 2020-07-22T09:39
模式時(例如說,對某位址連續寫入128次),就癱瘓這
顆NAND

By Elizabeth
at 2020-07-25T09:18
at 2020-07-25T09:18
難道韌體還會「Hello系統,我正在不經你允許自行執
行功能」

By Zenobia
at 2020-07-27T13:30
at 2020-07-27T13:30

By Iris
at 2020-07-30T19:48
at 2020-07-30T19:48
要掛file system很難嗎 難的是怎麼傳出來 firmware
應該是沒什麼洞去影響主os

By Damian
at 2020-08-02T14:34
at 2020-08-02T14:34

By Ingrid
at 2020-08-02T17:13
at 2020-08-02T17:13
還要在硬碟控制器裡做解密嗎?

By Tom
at 2020-08-03T03:39
at 2020-08-03T03:39

By Faithe
at 2020-08-06T16:50
at 2020-08-06T16:50

By Edward Lewis
at 2020-08-09T11:54
at 2020-08-09T11:54
是太明顯了

By Bethany
at 2020-08-10T18:48
at 2020-08-10T18:48
方案

By Jack
at 2020-08-14T19:11
at 2020-08-14T19:11
DMA讓硬體「幾乎」不用跟CPU溝通就能讀取RAM,
所以前面我有說,功能可能被分開,
硬碟韌體負責找出需要檔案,自己主動扔到RAM中

By Sarah
at 2020-08-14T21:24
at 2020-08-14T21:24
要主機
寫的太無差別的自殺 可靠度很爛還想近重要系統的供
應鏈啊

By Carolina Franco
at 2020-08-18T05:23
at 2020-08-18T05:23
常操作然後不容易被抓到

By Emily
at 2020-08-21T13:32
at 2020-08-21T13:32
整個儲存區 要搞鬼是做的到 跟你講的不同好不

By Una
at 2020-08-25T08:25
at 2020-08-25T08:25

By Tristan Cohan
at 2020-08-30T02:19
at 2020-08-30T02:19

By Isla
at 2020-09-03T05:32
at 2020-09-03T05:32

By Dorothy
at 2020-09-05T06:17
at 2020-09-05T06:17

By Ivy
at 2020-09-05T23:35
at 2020-09-05T23:35
目的了嗎?

By Freda
at 2020-09-08T11:07
at 2020-09-08T11:07
然後故意洩露有後門,對方就離線檢查不敢用

By Quintina
at 2020-09-10T11:51
at 2020-09-10T11:51

By Oliver
at 2020-09-15T11:31
at 2020-09-15T11:31
料敵從寬的傷害比實際上造成損失還大

By Wallis
at 2020-09-16T01:29
at 2020-09-16T01:29
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