Intel官方Benchmarks輾爆EPYC - 3C

Ina avatar
By Ina
at 2017-11-30T01:07

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牙膏廠簡報狠輾EPYC,不囉嗦直接上圖

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AnandTech的結論

First of all, Intel's benchmarks lend further support to what we already

suspected: Intel's Scalable Xeon is better at serving databases for a number

of reasons: better data locality (fewer NUMA nodes), better single-threaded

performance, and a more "useable" cache. The claim that Intel offers much

more predictable database performance seems very reasonable to us: the EPYC

platform is much younger and much more complex to tune as it is a "virtual 8

socket" system.



Secondly it is true that the Intel Scalable Xeon is more versatile: the past

5 years AMD's presence in the server market was neglible, while Intel has

been steadily adding virtualization features (posted interrupts), I/O

features and more (TSX for example). Many of these features are now supported

by the hypervisor and OSes out there.



The EPYC platform has some catching up to do. Firmware updates and other

software updates were necessary to run a hypervisor, and only relatively

recent versions of the Linux kernel (February 2017 w/4.10+) have support for

the EPYC processor. So even if we doubt that the 8160 can really deliver 37%

better performance than the AMD EPYC in the real world, there is no denying

that the Intel Xeon is a "safer bet" for VMware virtualization.



Nevertheless, it is interesting to see that Intel admits that there are quite

a few use cases out there where AMD has an advantage. The AMD EPYC has a

performance per dollar advantage in webserving and Java servers, for example.

Otherwise, there is some merit to the claim that AVX-512 allows Intel to

offer excellent HPC performance without the use of a GPU in compute intensive

applications. At the same time, if you are after the best performance on

these very parallel workloads, a GPU almost always offers several times

higher performance. AVX-512 can also not save Intel in several

bandwidth-intensive benchmarks such, as in fluid dynamics.



One interesting element to the whole scenario is that at no point does Intel

ever approach the performance per watt angle in these discussions. It leaves

a big question unanswered from Intel - perhaps we should invoke Hanlon's

Razor at this point and call it a missed opportunity, rather than suggest

that Intel does not want to speak about power. Our own results showed a win

for AMD's EPYC here though, when comparing two 145W Xeon 8176 parts to two

180W EPYC 7601 parts. More testing on specific workloads is needed.



In summary, Intel makes several good points, even when those points aren't

always in their own favor. The company clearly has an interest in ensuring

that the Xeon's performance leadership remains well-known in light of AMD's

EPYC-fueled resurgence, and while there's nothing altruistic about Intel's

benchmarking, they are working from a sound position. Still, in defending

their position – and by extension their high margins – Intel does highlight

the Xeon's biggest weakness versus the EPYC in this newly competitive market:

the Skylake Xeon can offer excellent performance, but that performance comes

with an equally heavy price tag.



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All Comments

Frederic avatar
By Frederic
at 2017-12-03T05:12
真醜,I做簡報真的慘輸AMD
John avatar
By John
at 2017-12-07T01:03
Biased
Ingrid avatar
By Ingrid
at 2017-12-09T02:13
自己發情報文本來想反串的 無奈想不出好哽QQ
Agatha avatar
By Agatha
at 2017-12-12T08:52
報價也一樣碾壓
Dinah avatar
By Dinah
at 2017-12-13T01:18
沒哦 你去看原文 牙膏這次拿差不多報價的來比
Necoo avatar
By Necoo
at 2017-12-15T01:18
Intel真的被海放了 我說簡報
Mason avatar
By Mason
at 2017-12-19T14:58
基本上連老黃家的簡報都海放牙膏吧
Edwina avatar
By Edwina
at 2017-12-22T06:43
"官方"
Steve avatar
By Steve
at 2017-12-25T11:27
文不是Intel的 不過圖片是Intel給出來的
Candice avatar
By Candice
at 2017-12-28T21:38
啊就 anandtech 拿 intel 的文宣來分析啊 XD
Hedda avatar
By Hedda
at 2017-12-30T19:34
所以我標題沒唬爛啊XD
Andrew avatar
By Andrew
at 2017-12-31T11:59
有比較lammps 給推
Edith avatar
By Edith
at 2017-12-31T18:24
雖然是老架構了但是4770可以打32core alps 真的是屌
Yuri avatar
By Yuri
at 2018-01-03T12:19
不過我相信這是冷門分析 大家都去轉檔 渲染3d了
Harry avatar
By Harry
at 2018-01-07T19:48
7pupu
Edith avatar
By Edith
at 2018-01-10T05:49
真的是 簡報
Vanessa avatar
By Vanessa
at 2018-01-11T20:18
這根本是牙膏自爆 這兩天討論蠻多的惹
說穿惹就牙膏dram給的太吝嗇
或者說蘇媽太慷慨
Isla avatar
By Isla
at 2018-01-16T16:11
牙膏講的大概就網路用會卡fabric頻寬跟延遲
還有hpc某些應用
Enid avatar
By Enid
at 2018-01-18T10:57
然後有人說網路交換機應用也是卡dram比較嚴重
hpc很多都早就是改gpu加速去惹
Charlotte avatar
By Charlotte
at 2018-01-21T04:35
fabric問題在7nm zen2以後就是pcie gen4 頻寬兩倍
內部的也是馬上加速 牙膏優勢就又少一塊
Joseph avatar
By Joseph
at 2018-01-24T20:18
蘇媽昨天就說zen2 zen3 server市佔上看25%=opteron
Candice avatar
By Candice
at 2018-01-26T20:36
哎唷 教主你也留點面子給牙膏的簡報
Xanthe avatar
By Xanthe
at 2018-01-28T22:44
其實我比較好奇內部的fabric 7nm能多強 不然照之前
的測試來看差不多誇die就跟從RAM撈差不多慢
Rae avatar
By Rae
at 2018-01-31T13:58
坐等Zen下一代
Doris avatar
By Doris
at 2018-02-03T03:09
連牙膏獨有的avx512都可以因為卡ram卡power結果輸
Hedy avatar
By Hedy
at 2018-02-05T19:55
卡RAM就算了 卡POWER還蠻好笑的...
Lucy avatar
By Lucy
at 2018-02-07T07:09
還滿期待zen2的gen4能對內部傳輸提升多少效率
Enid avatar
By Enid
at 2018-02-11T00:07
2U系統才有差吧 PCIE4
Daniel avatar
By Daniel
at 2018-02-14T00:45
教主開示
Rachel avatar
By Rachel
at 2018-02-17T09:07
Gen4正式版最快也要等到2019耶! Zen2跟ICE Lake 10
nm+對決有勝算?
James avatar
By James
at 2018-02-19T00:18
反正簡報王7nm最多可以黏到128核,賣半價以多打少
Joe avatar
By Joe
at 2018-02-19T19:46
2004年K8 Opteron也沒有到25%,炒股賺$$比較重要
Michael avatar
By Michael
at 2018-02-22T19:58
強力指令集結果卡RAM卡POWER 這也是XD
Catherine avatar
By Catherine
at 2018-02-27T09:16
卡RAM其實還好啦 卡POWER這個真的有蠢到
Gilbert avatar
By Gilbert
at 2018-03-02T15:32
牙膏10nm烙賽到拖了超過一年吧 ZEN2 Server出來的時
Adele avatar
By Adele
at 2018-03-07T06:35
候 真的大顆做的出來嗎
Tracy avatar
By Tracy
at 2018-03-08T05:55
學AMD做簡報給個推
Madame avatar
By Madame
at 2018-03-12T14:35
樓上 你看內容那掉漆的程度是真的有學? XD
Michael avatar
By Michael
at 2018-03-15T11:06
電蝦史上最光明的一天
Queena avatar
By Queena
at 2018-03-16T12:39
卡ram卡power?
Anthony avatar
By Anthony
at 2018-03-18T00:52
CPU對RAM頻寬不夠 然後耗電量太高必須降頻?
David avatar
By David
at 2018-03-18T20:30
不只卡RAM卡POWER 還有..卡阻熱膏
Tom avatar
By Tom
at 2018-03-22T13:40
AMD因為常受到製程落後之苦,所以研發出膠水戰法
反而intel因為製程策略長期領先,大意了
Anonymous avatar
By Anonymous
at 2018-03-24T18:36
教主是指intel的cache給太少了嗎?
Megan avatar
By Megan
at 2018-03-26T06:20
卡RAM你要怎樣才能解讀成Cache不夠啊...
Eden avatar
By Eden
at 2018-03-26T16:53
AMD現在的優勢就是便宜
Delia avatar
By Delia
at 2018-03-28T05:01
EPYC就四顆 Ryzen 7,可以官方價格還可以降的很低
Caitlin avatar
By Caitlin
at 2018-03-29T07:09
不可能真的便宜到哪去 AMD毛利低迷很久了 只是怎樣
都比牙膏同規模便宜
Tracy avatar
By Tracy
at 2018-03-29T17:44
牙膏爽太久了QQ
Skylar Davis avatar
By Skylar Davis
at 2018-03-31T02:43
對AMD歷史來說現在算高毛利了吧
相對於推土機時代....
Jack avatar
By Jack
at 2018-04-01T12:00
目前毛利還是被股東嫌低 不到四成
再低應該都會往五成邁進吧
William avatar
By William
at 2018-04-03T10:25
所以是zen的Data Fabric速度比intel快?
Tristan Cohan avatar
By Tristan Cohan
at 2018-04-04T14:17
是Epyc每個插座的記憶體通道有8個啊…頻寬怪獸…
Edward Lewis avatar
By Edward Lewis
at 2018-04-06T03:17
SIMD需要頻寬來餵飽…
Todd Johnson avatar
By Todd Johnson
at 2018-04-08T04:41
卡RAM有這麼難理解嗎? 在RAM那邊塞車
Una avatar
By Una
at 2018-04-09T06:31
哦,原來是EPYC的記憶體通道比較多,瞭解,感謝K大
Gary avatar
By Gary
at 2018-04-10T00:10
教主開示

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