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KDE Developers Discuss Merging Libraries With Qt

Posted by Michael Larabel on October 31, 2010


Well, here's some interesting weekend news: there's a polarized discussion
taking place right now among core KDE developers about merging the KDE
libraries into upstream Qt. Cornelius Schumacher, a long-time German KDE
developer and currently the KDE e.V. president, has come out yesterday saying,
"Let's merge Qt and the KDE development platform. Let's put all KDE libraries,
support libraries, platform modules into Qt, remove the redundancies in Qt,
and polish it into one nice consistent set of APIs,
providing both, the wonderful KDE integration, consistency and convenience,
as well as the simplicity and portability of the Qt platform."

Cornelius had written a mailing list message summarizing this proposal of
merging the KDE libraries with Nokia's Qt libraries. Here's some of his other
quotes from this message:
We all love Qt, without it KDE wouldn't exist. We also love the KDE development
platform, it provides all that what Qt doesn't have or didn't have at some
point in time. But is there still a real reason to keep them separate?
Wouldn't it be much more elegant, if you wouldn't have to decide,
if to use some KDE classes or write a "qt-only" application,
if you would get all the wonders of KDE from Qt in one consistent way?

Sure, this would be a massive effort, and require huge changes,
it would probably mean Qt 5 and KDE 5, it would take quite some time,
it would need further changes to the Qt governance model,
it would mean investments from Qt Development Frameworks,
it would mean a long transition phase for applications to adapt.
But wouldn't it be worth this effort? What's the future of the KDE development
platform long-term, independent of Qt?

There are probably a hundred times as many Qt developers out there than KDE
developers, and if Nokia is only half-way successful with their plans for Qt,
this ratio will continue to change rapidly in favor of Qt. By merging the
platforms we could turn all these Qt developers into KDE developers.
We could benefit from and contribute to the success of Qt without restrictions.
We would reach way more users. We could much more easily acquire contributors.
...
On the other hand Qt has broadened a lot, and recently with the ambition to
provide a full API for MeeGo this has accelerated. That's a bit similar to
what KDE did quite some time ago. There is more and more redundancy and
overlap between Qt and KDE libraires, and we still don't really have a good
answer to that. A merge would be an answer, a big answer.

The KDE desktop and Plasma would effectively stay the same, along with the KDE
applications, but all of the KDE libraries would end up becoming Qt libraries.
Some developers agree with Schumacher's proposal and view it as a good vision
for the future of KDE, but there are some mixed feelings such as those
expressed by Alexander Neundorf. "KDE 4 is still young, and I know many people
who still prefer KDE 3.x. Announcing the next big breakage and 5 years of
development for KDE 5 in the next two years or
so might also be the death of the KDE desktop."

KDE's Mark Kretschmann, the founder of the KDE Amarok project, had this to say
about the proposed idea of merging the KDE libraries into Nokia's upstream Qt:
Cornelius,

I must say: Kudos to you. You made my day.

What you have proposed is one of the smartest and most groundbreaking ideas
I've seen in a long time. Admittedly, it sounds crazy at first sight.
And I talked to some fellow KDE developers who were very skeptical about it.

However, there was a time when a certain Matthias Ettrich invented KDE.
You know what people said when he published his idea?

"It cannot be done."
"No way."
"Impossible."

Look at what has become of his "little idea" now. And think about it: Most
really great ideas start like that, with people being skeptical, just because
it's new and needs getting used to. Cornelius's idea might be daring, but it is
worth giving it some really deep thought.


PS:
Chani, thanks for bringing up this topic. A much needed discussion, and very
useful too.

Other developers such as Albert Astals Cid, who maintains several KDE
applications, feels though that Qt is not doing what they promised and are
being naive. Albert even compares some of the shortcomings with the Qt project
itself to what led OpenOffice.org developers to fork into LibreOffice.
"Once this happens we can start speaking, anything we do now is wasting our
time." Albert also does not agree with the Qt licensing requirements.

The original thread has already become quite lengthy, but this morning another
thread pertaining to this discussion has been started and is entitled
Cornelius's grand plan. In this second thread started by Mark Kretschmann,
he said, "It's a very controversial idea. However, I think it is so refreshing
that it deserves some more thought. Personally, I think the idea is great,
if we can overcome some of the obvious road blocks. I would love to read some
honest and direct thoughts from you guys."

There's many more posts in this second thread already and this discussion will
likely continue to expand once the weekend is over. Some think this change
could not even happen until KDE 6.0 if first the KDE libraries
(kdelibs + kdesupport + kdepimlibs) are reorganized, which would lead to
a binary compatibility break and thus KDE 5.0. Following the KDE5 library
reorganization they could begin work on moving the needed code into Qt,
which would break compatibility again and then create KDE 6.0 based atop
a hypothetical Qt 5.0 release with these KDE library goodies.

We're still reading the flow of messages coming into both threads about this
proposal and will add more interesting bits of information from both sides
accordingly. Tell us what you think about this proposal by clicking on the
comments button below.


這一切還在討論中，非常有意思，非常有前景。
看看Nokia加上Qt與KDE的大融合會是甚麼光景，非常值得投入。
不過，一切都還在討論階段。

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