linus對於zen 2目前的看法 - 3C
By Ina
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※ 引述《a58524andy (a58524andy)》之銘言
: 原文:
: https://www.realworldtech.com/forum/?threadid=186584&curpostid=186630
: reddit討論串:
: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/coefjs/linus_torvalds_gives_his_curr
ent
: _take_on_amd_vs/
: reddit縮址:
: https://reurl.cc/Daxxj
: n87(x)渣翻:
: 我得說,zen 2看起來真的蠻香的,不管是消費端ry
: 這十年以來,農企從來沒有出過任何真正值得購買的產品。
: AMD犯下了許多錯誤,例如推土機系列的慘劇,而intel表現大致來說一直都算不錯。
: 兩相對比之下,AMD的產品線真的可以說沒什麼競爭力可言。
: 但是,看來現在風水輪流轉了。
事實上當時AMD會輸有兩個主要原因,
一是十年前並不流行支援多核的程式,造成單核只要跑起來夠強閉著眼睛就能穩贏
二是架構上的問題,AMD用的農機系列在先天生就少了一些東西,它原先的CMT理念其它
軟體都不往這走,更糟的是它的專用指令集有些軟體根本不打算支援或使用.....
如果以現今來看的話,AMD的CPU架構仍然算獨特且先進的,
除了多核心的概念之外,
AMD成功的點在於64位元指令集,擴充為64位元但是向下形容x86指令(也就是AMD64)
當時AMD弄出了算成功的東西的同時,
Intel自己也弄有了一個64位元的處理器架構(俗稱IA64),結果效能非常糟糕,連浮上
檯面的機會都沒有,從指令集到專利的問題都綁手綁腳,只好回頭設計,所以現在Inte
l的CPU架構都是x86-64,而非它原先搞得IA64.............
扯遠了,
回到推土機這裡,其實AMD當時在某個部分下了重本去執行,但是一直到最近才出現差異
,那就是分支預測造成的差異,
細節就不說了,結果大家都知道是intel靠偷吃步贏了這部分,但是夜路走太多遇到鬼,
現在都要還回去...
阿,扯太遠了,
我想說的是,現在Ryzen的分支預測技術是源自推土機時代的架構,基礎上差異不大,
有興趣的朋友可以看一下這篇
https://tinyurl.com/yy7l3qo7
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作者 ultra120 (原廠打手 !!!) 看板 PC_Shopping
噓 winner0429 : 學8086K 結果效能卻學不來 顆顆04/17 01:10
推 egoistchuu : 漏洞也學不來 嘻嘻04/17 01:29
→ ltyintw : 那不叫學,那叫AMD支援性很差,連漏洞都不支援。嘻04/17 01:35
→ zihquei70217: 在這裡嘴AMD等等被窮學生A粉嗆==04/17 08:04
推 aria0520 : amd哦 spectre啊 spoiler這些都不支援 怎麼跟支援04/17 08:39
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