技嘉科技SP CAP跟MLCC 聲明稿(官方) - 3C
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at 2020-09-30T14:22
at 2020-09-30T14:22
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其實看到 GBT 的說明還蠻...不知道該怎麼說,
由其實看到這張整理表格,
https://i.imgur.com/DguQOyz.jpg
先撇除 on die cap 和 PKG cap 先,
22uf 220uf 470uf 是抑制不同頻率點的容值,
這麼說好了, 一般人一天要吃三餐, 早餐午餐晚餐,
結果你把容值全部加總,
變成一天只吃晚餐, 一次吃三餐, 我一天吃的還比一般人多喔喔喔!!!
這不是...蠻好笑的嗎?
再來高頻要由 on die cap, 也就是 Cdie,
次高由 PKG cap,
再來偏低由 PCB cap,
這樣可以搭配本身系統的阻抗變成 PDN, 如下圖,
https://i.imgur.com/IBwif9a.jpg
基本上呢, Cdie 如果設計不足, 上圖最右邊 peak 會往右邊走,
Cdie 夠大的話, AIC 出事的機率相對較小, 不像這次 RTX3080 這麼敏感,
再來 PCB 要去抑制中高頻的 PDN 成效不佳, 不能說 cap type 沒差,
是遠水救不了近火, 還要考慮到路徑上的等效電阻電感, 走到火點時水都灑光了!
沒有一家豬屎屋會承認 Cdie 設計太剛好, 導致 AIC 用不同的電容而有問題,
面子拉不下來啦!
至於靠 driver 改善, 猜想應該是降低 boost 的反應速度, 讓瞬間的抽電不要這麼高,
有一個公式為 delta V= di/dt * L, 假設設計都不動,
di/dt 降低, 當然 voltage drop 就沒這麼嚴重了啦.
以上是某豬屎屋打工仔的推測, 中秋節快樂 :)
※ 引述《click2258 (吃很飽)》之銘言:
: 【技嘉科技SP-CAP電容與MLCC電容聲明稿】
: 針對日前網路媒體報導,質疑GeForce RTX 3080顯示卡會因使用POSCAP電容而導致運作不穩和閃退一事,技嘉科技特發表聲明如下:
: 1.針對媒體質疑POSCAP電容會直接導致閃退情況,並非屬實。一張顯示卡的運作穩定與否,需要通盤衡量整體的線路和供電設計,並非電容用料差異而已。POSCAP和MLCC兩款電容,兩者特性不同,用途也會有所差異,但不存在所謂好壞問題。
: 2.技嘉GeForce RTX 30全系列顯示卡皆依照NVIDIA規範所設計,並通過內部及晶片供應商等所有嚴格的測試,品質保證無虞。技嘉GeForce RTX 3080 GAMING OC及EAGLE OC等系列顯示卡,在電容部分採用高規格、低ESR的470uF SP-CAP電容,符合NVIDIA所制定的規範,且提供高於業界平均達 2820u 的總容值 (GPU Core Power),用料成本並不低於MLCC,絕非網路謠傳使用低廉料件,特此澄清。
: 技嘉科技一直以來在品質上不斷精進優化,尤其是獨特而創意十足的顯示卡散熱設計,總是領先業界提供最佳電競體驗給終端消費者。針對最新AORUS GeForce RTX 30顯示卡系列,亦特別在散熱效能上加強力道,推出超飽和散熱(MAX-Covered Cooling)等領先業界的解決方案,確保每個元件的運作更加穩定順暢,讓每位玩家享受超頻顯示卡帶來的極致遊戲體驗。
: NVIDIA已於今日(2020/09/29)發布一版最新驅動程式(456.55版),建議玩家立即更新,以獲得最佳化的效能調校和遊戲體驗。若消費者尚有任何疑慮,請聯絡當地經銷商或維修中心。
: 來源:技嘉AORUS粉專
: https://i.imgur.com/gFgrLhj.jpg
: 官方劃保證了。不過卡還是缺
: 話說NVIDIA官方跟AIC都一起澄清
: 看來電容門也是假issue了
: 看到那3080老鷹精美售價
: 比較想買3070 老鷹
: -----
: Sent from JPTT on my iPhone
--
由其實看到這張整理表格,
https://i.imgur.com/DguQOyz.jpg
先撇除 on die cap 和 PKG cap 先,
22uf 220uf 470uf 是抑制不同頻率點的容值,
這麼說好了, 一般人一天要吃三餐, 早餐午餐晚餐,
結果你把容值全部加總,
變成一天只吃晚餐, 一次吃三餐, 我一天吃的還比一般人多喔喔喔!!!
這不是...蠻好笑的嗎?
再來高頻要由 on die cap, 也就是 Cdie,
次高由 PKG cap,
再來偏低由 PCB cap,
這樣可以搭配本身系統的阻抗變成 PDN, 如下圖,
https://i.imgur.com/IBwif9a.jpg
基本上呢, Cdie 如果設計不足, 上圖最右邊 peak 會往右邊走,
Cdie 夠大的話, AIC 出事的機率相對較小, 不像這次 RTX3080 這麼敏感,
再來 PCB 要去抑制中高頻的 PDN 成效不佳, 不能說 cap type 沒差,
是遠水救不了近火, 還要考慮到路徑上的等效電阻電感, 走到火點時水都灑光了!
沒有一家豬屎屋會承認 Cdie 設計太剛好, 導致 AIC 用不同的電容而有問題,
面子拉不下來啦!
至於靠 driver 改善, 猜想應該是降低 boost 的反應速度, 讓瞬間的抽電不要這麼高,
有一個公式為 delta V= di/dt * L, 假設設計都不動,
di/dt 降低, 當然 voltage drop 就沒這麼嚴重了啦.
以上是某豬屎屋打工仔的推測, 中秋節快樂 :)
※ 引述《click2258 (吃很飽)》之銘言:
: 【技嘉科技SP-CAP電容與MLCC電容聲明稿】
: 針對日前網路媒體報導,質疑GeForce RTX 3080顯示卡會因使用POSCAP電容而導致運作不穩和閃退一事,技嘉科技特發表聲明如下:
: 1.針對媒體質疑POSCAP電容會直接導致閃退情況,並非屬實。一張顯示卡的運作穩定與否,需要通盤衡量整體的線路和供電設計,並非電容用料差異而已。POSCAP和MLCC兩款電容,兩者特性不同,用途也會有所差異,但不存在所謂好壞問題。
: 2.技嘉GeForce RTX 30全系列顯示卡皆依照NVIDIA規範所設計,並通過內部及晶片供應商等所有嚴格的測試,品質保證無虞。技嘉GeForce RTX 3080 GAMING OC及EAGLE OC等系列顯示卡,在電容部分採用高規格、低ESR的470uF SP-CAP電容,符合NVIDIA所制定的規範,且提供高於業界平均達 2820u 的總容值 (GPU Core Power),用料成本並不低於MLCC,絕非網路謠傳使用低廉料件,特此澄清。
: 技嘉科技一直以來在品質上不斷精進優化,尤其是獨特而創意十足的顯示卡散熱設計,總是領先業界提供最佳電競體驗給終端消費者。針對最新AORUS GeForce RTX 30顯示卡系列,亦特別在散熱效能上加強力道,推出超飽和散熱(MAX-Covered Cooling)等領先業界的解決方案,確保每個元件的運作更加穩定順暢,讓每位玩家享受超頻顯示卡帶來的極致遊戲體驗。
: NVIDIA已於今日(2020/09/29)發布一版最新驅動程式(456.55版),建議玩家立即更新,以獲得最佳化的效能調校和遊戲體驗。若消費者尚有任何疑慮,請聯絡當地經銷商或維修中心。
: 來源:技嘉AORUS粉專
: https://i.imgur.com/gFgrLhj.jpg
: 官方劃保證了。不過卡還是缺
: 話說NVIDIA官方跟AIC都一起澄清
: 看來電容門也是假issue了
: 看到那3080老鷹精美售價
: 比較想買3070 老鷹
: -----
: Sent from JPTT on my iPhone
--
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